** Official Level 10 Problems Thread **

[Ando]

You try upping your velocity?

[Stingy Mcdingy]

You try upping your velocity?

Yea tried turning up the velocity but still no luck. It still wont even shoot. The trigger has resistance but still wont shoot. I'm thinking there is still too much friction for some reason. Still tinkering with the spring and shims ect..

[athomas]

Yea tried turning up the velocity but still no luck. It still wont even shoot. The trigger has resistance but still wont shoot. I'm thinking there is still too much friction for some reason. Still tinkering with the spring and shims ect..

Take the shims out when testing. They do nothing except cause the bolt stem vent hole to be too close to the carrier oring. This causes premature leaking which causes you to use a carrier size that is too tight for your setup. Using a tight carrier to stop a shim induced leak causes bolt stick.

Are you using the bolt in a micro mag body? Sometimes the breach of a micro mag body is too tight for the level 10 bolt tip. Check that it actually slices freely in the breach. Do that without a valve installed by dropping it into the breach area without a bolt spring on the front. If you do find that it is tight, you can sand the outer edge of the tip until it moves freely. It doesn't take much.

[Stingy Mcdingy]

Take the shims out when testing. They do nothing except cause the bolt stem vent hole to be too close to the carrier oring. This causes premature leaking which causes you to use a carrier size that is too tight for your setup. Using a tight carrier to stop a shim induced leak causes bolt stick.

Are you using the bolt in a micro mag body? Sometimes the breach of a micro mag body is too tight for the level 10 bolt tip. Check that it actually slices freely in the breach. Do that without a valve installed by dropping it into the breach area without a bolt spring on the front. If you do find that it is tight, you can sand the outer edge of the tip until it moves freely. It doesn't take much.

Yes I am using the Micro body. I haven't thought about checking the new bolt fitment to the body. That is a good Idea I will check it when I get home to make sure that fits fine. I'll also try it without the shims.

Just to clarify should I start with the largest carrier 1st or the smallest carrier?

[Ando]

Yes I am using the Micro body. I haven't thought about checking the new bolt fitment to the body. That is a good Idea I will check it when I get home to make sure that fits fine. I'll also try it without the shims.

Just to clarify should I start with the largest carrier 1st or the smallest carrier?

Largest that doesn't leak. It'll take a few tries to get the right one.

[redarmy27]

Good morning guys,

I've acquired an Automag Classic over the past year and I've fallen in love with it. Just last night I finally received the final piece of the puzzle to make my own perfect marker: the Level X bolt.

I carefully read all the instructions and proceeded to build up the new bolt and such from the instructions and online videos. Sadly to say, none of the carriers work. I've been paintballing since I was 11 and consider myself pretty marker savy, but this has me stumped. I've read that I'm supposed to choose the carrier that is snug with the o-ring along the bolt rod (sorry for the improper usage of words, I'm pretty tired), and in the videos it appears that you can get one that is snug. None of the carriers allow me to make it remotely snug. I air the marker up and it begins to leak down the barrel, but stops when I pull and hold the trigger.

**Update**

I've tried all the carriers, even the one line and one dot, and went through all of the carrier-held o-rings they supplied me. It just seemed like none of them fit enough as described in the instructions; they all seemed pretty loose around the bolt rod no matter which carrier I used. Perhaps I got a bad batch.

I tried all the carriers and added and subtracted shims; but was primarily shimless. I got the marker to actually shoot, but with air still leaking down the barrel and actually out the back near the velocity adjuster, which is also leaking now as well after I had messed with that too.

I'm a bit stumped. I'll fasten everything down again and even call up AGD to see if I can get new o-rings expressed shipped. I really want to use my level X by this weekend!!

Thanks for any help you can provide!

Jake

[Ando]

That's pretty strange that none of the carriers are working for you

My only advice to you is maybe swelling the orings. Put a few in oil for a few days and try it out again. Make sure you have everything installed right too.

As for your leak out the back. It's either you have the velocity up too high, bad piston o-ring or the piston itself. Classics usually leak due to the extra pressure needed to actuate the lvl 10. The older pistons can't handle the pressure. Just get a replacement when/if you order new lvl 10 orings.

[redarmy27]

Sounds good. Thanks for the advice.

I'm calling them here shortly so I'll see if I can get those replacements shipped quickly.

Hopefully I don't need a new piston as it only started to leak when I cranked the velocity way up. Grr, can anything be simple! Haha.

Jake

[Ando]

It's designed to leak if the velocity is up to high.

One thing you can try out is installing the gold bolt spring on the lvl 10 (shortest one). It'll be a little rougher on the paint but will almost guarantee it not to leak out the back. Either way your going to need a new piston if you tend to use one of the longer bolt springs.

EDIT:

Don't use the long gray one. They tend to not work and give you the issues your having now and then some. The gray springs are mainly used for tweaking the lvl 10.

If you have one, try the red bolt spring. It's the best one out of the bunch.

If all you have is the short gold spring and long gray one. You can cut the gray spring down to create a spring the same length as the red spring.

If you scroll up a few posts. Athomas gives a good explanation on how he cuts his. I've never tired it, I usually just put a gold and gray spring side to side, measure from the top of the gold spring to the top of the gray spring. Find the mid way point between the 2 tops and cut. It's never failed me yet.

EDIT 2:

If you do cut a spring. Make sure you place the cut end of the spring towards the bolt and the uncut end facing the breach of the body. That keeps the spring from digging into anything expensive.

[redarmy27]

It's designed to leak if the velocity is up to high.

One thing you can try out is installing the gold bolt spring on the lvl 10 (shortest one). It'll be a little rougher on the paint but will almost guarantee it not to leak out the back. Either way your going to need a new piston if you tend to use one of the longer bolt springs.

EDIT:

Don't use the long gray one. They tend to not work and give you the issues your having now and then some. The gray springs are mainly used for tweaking the lvl 10.

If you have one, try the red bolt spring. It's the best one out of the bunch.

If all you have is the short gold spring and long gray one. You can cut the gray spring down to create a spring the same length as the red spring.

If you scroll up a few posts. Athomas gives a good explanation on how he cuts his. I've never tired it, I usually just put a gold and gray spring side to side, measure from the top of the gold spring to the top of the gray spring. Find the mid way point between the 2 tops and cut. It's never failed me yet.

EDIT 2:

If you do cut a spring. Make sure you place the cut end of the spring towards the bolt and the uncut end facing the breach of the body. That keeps the spring from digging into anything expensive.

Thanks for the tips. I've been using the Red spring. Could it possibly be because I should just soak my o-rings? I have a feeling if they swell enough, I could get a good o-ring to bolt rod fit. Anyone ever run into that?

I'll turn my velocity down and cycle a few shots until it stops leaking out the back, otherwise I'll have to send the marker in.

Jake

[Ando]

You shouldn't have to soak any of the orings unless your parts kit is a off brand. Try your gold spring to stop the leak out the back till you get a new piston. As for your bolt leak...hmmm...try the soak method. If that doesn't pan out, get new orings.

Here's a pics and a link too give you a better understanding....


http://www.bigevilonline.com/showthread.php?t=1455

[TheMedievalMan]

Bolt Stick

I have plenty of lube on mine, and I have no shims installed. But the bolt is collapsing well when I place a finger inside, it feels soft. But shoots well, except I cant get rid of bolt stick. How do I solve the problem of bolt stick? It happens every 100 shots or so.

[redarmy27]

Hey guys,

Called AGD and left a message. In less than an hour I got a call back and was told it's all just the size of the o-rings I was given. I have three more on the way right now which they are testing personally before they send them to me. They told me it should be the fix right there as I had walked them through exactly what I had done.

Hopefully it works!!!

Thanks for the help guys, I'll keep you posted!

Jake

[Ando]

I have plenty of lube on mine, and I have no shims installed. But the bolt is collapsing well when I place a finger inside, it feels soft. But shoots well, except I cant get rid of bolt stick. How do I solve the problem of bolt stick? It happens every 100 shots or so.

Go up in your carrier. Use the largest one that doesn't leak. If you already have the largest in, you might want to ck your bolt spring. Could be on the verge of going Tango Uniform.

[athomas]

I have plenty of lube on mine, and I have no shims installed. But the bolt is collapsing well when I place a finger inside, it feels soft. But shoots well, except I cant get rid of bolt stick. How do I solve the problem of bolt stick? It happens every 100 shots or so.

If if vents air and doesn't reset, then the bolt stick you are experiencing is due to a carrier size that is too tight.. As mentioned, you need to go to the next larger carrier size. Make sure you use the same white carrier oring each time you change carriers.