** Official Level 10 Problems Thread **

[gcube]

hey havoc i took out the shims so im running no springs but now when i do the paintball chop test it chops the paint ball and when i put my finger inthe breech it hits harder than my a.i.r valve so now i have a 1.5 no shims medium spring.help again please

[MG79]

Level 10 Velocity Question

I have my level 10 installed and it seems to be working fine, the only problem is my velocity is all over the place. I have read through this thread and have heard several ideas, but something doesn't make sense to me. People have said they have elminated their velocity fluctuation problems by either going to the next largest carrier, going to the next shortest main spring, or by adding shims. I can see how changing the carrier would effect this, but if this doesn't work I don't see how the shims or springs would help make your velocity more stable. Changing these items would certainly effect what your velocity is, but shouldn't the velocity at least be consistent (even if it is not at the desired speed) no matter what spring or shim configuration you use? That being said, if my gun starts to leak at the next largest carrier, what are my other options to try and stabilize my velocity?

[impulse666]

Hey AGD. I just go a used RT from ProPaintball, (Team Lockout's store). I know nothing about mags. They said there is a level 10 in it. There is a small leak coming out of the power feed. I dont have any spair springs or powertube spacers. I dont know how to take it apart anyway. What is wrong?

GEAR

-red to black maxed freeflow cocker
-pimped impy
-Broken RT
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-12v rev
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[Dern]

Hey MG79- just to make sure, are you using a nitro tank?

[XxslayerxX]

I just saw that my rubber piece is gone from my bolt. How do I hold down the extra rubber piece? Should I use super glue?

[Load SM5]

Ok chew on this Mr. Big Brainy guys. I'm messing with my shiney new X-valve today and it was breaking paint like mad. I am running 2 shims and the longest spring. It did'nt appear to be chopping as I was shooting slowly with HALO B with fresh batteries. But it was definatly breaking in the breech. I did a bounce test with the 3 brands of paint I used, and 3 different barrels. The bolt did seem to hit a bit harder than my other valve with the medium spring.

So my question is this. Can you lighten the bolt smack even further even though you're already using the longest spring? I tried every combo I could think of.

[Load SM5]

Originally posted by XxslayerxX
I just saw that my rubber piece is gone from my bolt. How do I hold down the extra rubber piece? Should I use super glue?

It's not totally important to even have that but....

Scuff the old glue off the face of the bolt and glue it back on. Some people swear by super glue gel, but I used some stuff called Permatex Gasket Sealant. It dries flexible so the shock of the bolt slapping back and forth does'nt crack the foamie away like super glue.

[Dern]

Hey Load SM5... there is a way to slow the bolt down some more, that is to put a tighter/smaller carrier inside the power tube. Since the power piston on the bolt (or whatever the center tube part is called) will have a lot more friction on a tighter oring it will slow down some.

[Load SM5]

I had thought about that but I thought I'd wait and see what others say. That seems a little like driving the car around with the brakes on. It seems like that would wear stuff out faster, probably just an o-ring. It is contradictory to what the correct LX installation is though.

[Havoc_online]

bratch could you follow up? If your input wasnt high enough, your velocity was still too low. If the valve doesnt spit air out the back and it's still not shooting properly(but you input is high) then keep turning.

epterry you need to add a shim or two if it doesnt bleed pressure when it stops on a ball, that's the rule. (make sure your shims are not bent)

gcube talk to me on aim.

MG79 just use the biggest carrier that doesnt leak, your on the right path, however your reg seat or paint/barrel match may be the ones to blame.(dont forget to put a couple of drops of oil into that valve)

impulse666 If I were you, I'd go back to the store and ask them for the rest of the level 10 kit that came with that marker or just buy the rest of it from the airgun online store. It sounds like you might just have to go down a carrier.

XxslayerxX Do what Load said, and use QUALITY superglue. The Foamie on these type of bolts is needed or your ballstack messes up and gives you a bunch of mechanical ball bobble(worse than blowback).

Load SM5 Your X-valve probably came with a carrier that was a tad tight so you wouldnt have to mess with it when it broke in. To have the softest set-up you need to use the long spring and the biggest carrier that doesnt leak. Don't go crazy with that input pressure either.

Dern Please do me a favor and delete that post of yours, someone scanning through the thread may read that and follow it. A tighter carrier requires more pressure to move, once you get that pressure the bolt is moving faster than before. It also causes bolt stick and inconsistent velocites, it doesnt make anything better in any way. Tom was mistaken about this.

[Load SM5]

Load SM5 Your X-valve probably came with a carrier that was a tad tight so you wouldnt have to mess with it when it broke in. To have the softest set-up you need to use the long spring and the biggest carrier that doesnt leak. Don't go crazy with that input pressure either.

Yes I know, that's exactly what I did. That's the problem. I am using the biggest carrier without leaking and the longest spring. Input pressure of 850.

[treyco]

OK....So I just received my new requlator piston and seat ordered directly from AGD. It didn't make any difference. My problem is that I can only get around 250 fps and when I try to crank it up past that, air starts blowing out the back of the gun.

[epterry]

Havoc_online I had tried useing different amounts of shims I have fixed the problem now tho by going to the next size down carrier.

[MG79]

Dern, yes I am using a HPA tank. I went to the next largest carrier and it did not leak, which is odd, because it did leak the first time I put it in the gun. My velocity is better, however, it is still varying by 20-30 fps.

Havoc, if I'm using the largest carrier that doesn't leak and I am using HPA, is the variation in velocity coming from my paintball to barrel match? Also, I noticed that if I have no shims in my level ten it seems to work fine or if I put all four shims that came in my kit in the marker, it works fine as well. Since there seems to be no difference in my gun, which setup would be better?

[obsolete898]

I'm in the same situation as Load. Also I need to use 4 shims, any less and it won't reset quickly or at all. Is that normal?

Also I only get about 900-950 shots from a 68/4500.

Thanx