** Official Level 10 Problems Thread **

[Jimmi9999]

Truss- thats normal for the lvl 10, it needs a higher pressure to operate so once it gets down below a certain point it doesn't shoot. i usually only get 600 - 700 shots on a 3000psi tank which is also normal for a mag or at least its normal for my mag.

Quadster- try going up a carrier size. the longest spring is the softest on paint. you add shims to make it vent sooner.

[Quadster]

Level 10 Problem

thanks for the info Jimmi9999.

Im using #1 right now,fired about 100 shots too stopp the leaking. But the #1.5 is too big,medium leaking.
Is there a maximum amount of shims too be added?
I dont have any shims on it right now.
Do you oil you gun every time you use it? how many drops of oil do you use?

thanks in advance

[truss]

i am just wondering if there is a difference in tank sizes?what would be better to have?
a 68cu at 45 or a 88 at 3000?

[Quadster]

Is it realy that good?

After months of repair at AGD and months of testing and
tuning,i cant say that the Level 10 system can shot any type of paint whitout chops or barrel breaks.

After last nights testing i had 70-80 ball brakes on 200 paintballs.
Setup is #0,5 carrier,0-4 shims dossent matter how many,longest spring,chronoed at 280-290.
Then i put my hand/finger what ever in front of the bolt and you nearly notice the bolt hit you.

Paint that is used is Dracula. Works on any type of Angel,Cocker or Tippmann, but not on my X-Mag






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[Wickster]

level 10 and powerfeed

I just put in my new x-valve and level 10. I was using PMI premium paint as I have in the past. No problems for the first 4 games. After that, I began having trouble with the paint feeding into the barrel. I also would get some balls only shoot out about 10 feet (although the first shot).

I am also afraid that sometimes the bolt may have returned without pushing the ball further into the barrel and firing (as if it was a stuck ball).

Does the level 10 mod reduce the amount of air that used to be used to make the powerfeed work?

While It was the first day I used it, I did shoot about 200 empty shots before using paintballs (with oil in the asa and using compressed air)

I have the #1 carrier and 2 shims in. I did not chop any, and it does vent and return when I put my finger in and fire it.

Any help/suggestions will be appreciated. Thank you.

[cky shane]

Okay, I'm running 1.5 Carrier, 2 shims, middle spring, and 850psi input on an RT Classic.

There are no leaks at all down the barrel. There is no bolt stick. The bolt bounces correctly off my finger (a little rougher than I expected, but not bad.)

I'm getting a few problems, however: my efficiency is terrible. I used to get around 800-900 shots off my 68/4500 before my LX, now I get 30-50 shots per 1000 psi (I havent emptied the tank yet, but its obviously poor.) Also, the trigger no longer pressurizes once I get below about 1000psi in the tank.

I believe this may be part of the efficiency problem, but my gun vents lightly (as in, high-pitched whining) when its shooting relatively slow (I don't have a chrono, but I'd eyeball it around 260 or 270 feet per second.) If I unscrew the adjuster so that it stops leaking, it no longer cycles. If I screw it in further to up my velocity, it vents worse.

So I guess my question is two fold: how do I up my velocity (which spring should I switch to?), and is my awfully bad ~450 shots off a 68/4500 tank normal efficiency for a Level 10 RT Classic?

[rehme]

hey i bought a used emag with LX and it was leaky so i took it apart and i noticed there was no pistin on the bolt so do you think there is some warrenty on it or do i have to buy a new one

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LVL 10 Question, what does Spring length correspond to?

My basic question is this: What does each spring length accord to as far as resistance to the pressure behind the bolt? Is the shortest spring stronger, i.e. produces more resistance on the bolt? Or is it the case that the longer the spring is the less resistance?

Many thanks...

I have an Classic RT and am trying to install the LVL 10 bolt.

[cgrieves]

The longest spring is the "hardest", the cut spring is the middle spring, and the regular automag length one is the softest.

The hardest spring will be the softest on paint, but your gas efficiency will go down slightly.

The spring pressure counteracts/resists the bolt until you dial up enough velocity (i.e. the air pressure behind the bolt becomes enough to collapse the spring). The only other resistance comes from the carrier O-ring. A tight o-ring will be softer on paint but you risk bolt stick.

[Havoc_online]

Top Secret add a shim.

Quadster your problem is most likely having to do with the detent.

Wickster sounds like more detent/nubbin issuses

cky shane use the biggest carrier that doesnt leak. also install the mid spring.

rehme talk to AGD

[lloyd_kinky]

LX and trigger "feel"

I am using an X-Valve, and a 1 line carrier, 1 shim, and everything feels pretty good. Few probs tho. Towards the end on my tuning, I was around 1200 psi bottle pressure. There is a small leak from the reg(back of valve). How should I fix this? The Setting feels awesome. I placed a ball 1/2 way in the breech and went nuts on the trigger, and the ball was just peachy.

Also, the current setting makes the trigger return feel very weak, almost like a classic valve feel. Will uping the input pressure help this? LMK

Parker

[AutoMagger]

My "problem" is so bad, but sometimes (i had this problem about 3 times in 5 hours of paintball) the bolt will stick and not recock, well i have an adjustable geddon tank and it was set to 750-760psi input. Sometimes i could get it to recock but other times it would just make gassy noises (like the noise when it pinches) sometimes i was ripping on the gun and i might forget to turn on my revvy, so that could be the problem but also, to i have my revvy intellied to the frame so it would be fed properly but still have these issues. When i got home, i tried different carrier/shim settings, and the combo i used that day was the correct configuration. My gun runs N2 but i bought it used runing co2, so i dont have one of those new reg pistons made for N2, and the velocity was fine. Also, i got it to stick a couple times when i pinched a pen in the breach about 30-40 times, i would let up on the trigger, and pull again and it would recock (or push it back in with the pen), perfect. Now, my question is, why would it have problems on the field with pbs and not with a pen? My theory was that the 750psi input (i turned it up more when i did the pen test, go figure) was just barely good enough for average pinches but if several balls pinched (not having the revvy on and doing 5 shot bursts), it would not have anough pressure to recock. What do you think of them apples?

thanks,
-Alex
p.s. sorry for the long post, i just didn't want to miss any details.

[cgrieves]

Try an extra shim....

[AutoMagger]

thanks, but i tried the extra shim and it leaked..

-Alex

[rmhawk]

automagger - turn your tank up to at least 800psi, 850 psi woudl be perfect. also, try going to the smallest spring.