Why is a Mag is better than a Spyder Imagine?

[68MagDfeater]

so why is a mag better than a spyder? I know that your thinking that thats the most stupidest thing youve ever heard but its not for me ive already got a mag but its for my friend, hes getting a mag from another friend and his dad is kinda upset that he wants to get another gun so soon so the only way we can convince him is to give his dad a written reason from someone else besides us why the mag is better than a spyder period... let alone an Imagine. so if who ever reads this wont mind helping us out with our HUGE PROBLEM so thank you for reading our sorrowful forum and wanting to help us {right?}

[AdrenalineMag]

because!

anything to help out someobdy with getting a mag .

mags are better than spyders because they are much more consistant with their fps due to the design of the gun. the spyder and therefore many of the "beginner" level guns in paintball dont have the best design. they use a "spring loaded" hammer to actuate the air valve that releases gas to recock and fire the gun. this is a very simple and cheap design which makes it perfect for a beginner gun. however it can be very unreliable due to certain problems like cup seals scratching and becoming useless, and springs and other parts wearing out. the automag design is made with extremely durable parts and is therefore extremely reliable. even if something were to go wrong with an automag they have one of the best tech support groups in all of paintball. automags ar emore consistant, and therefore this makes them more acurate than spyders & their clones, etc.

this should be enough

[Animal Mother]

My cousin has an imagine...

Been through two E-grips because they have gone bad, the barrel got stuck on the gun and we needed a vice and and channel locks to get it off annd it scratched the hell out of the barrel.. all the bolted on crap has fallen off due to the cheap metal annd the threads just falling off..

For around $200 it's a great starter gun.. just really cheaply made. Not accurate since it kicks so hard and it chops paint like crazy when he gets on the trigger.

Look into the bushmasters, cheap and pretty good.

[Morfesto]

The Imagine is a great marker. You should try giving it some upgrades like a new barrel and a regulator befor you go off and get a new marker. Its not the marker its the player. All you need is a good paint to barrel match.

Once your Imagine is tricked out then it would be time to conside moving on to somthing new you can trick out .

[Torbo]

the imagine is cheaply made. I hesitate to call it junk, but they are not reliable at all. A mag is simply better made, more consistant.

[Morfesto]

I dont know about you but all the ppl on the kingman forums will say they are pretty reliable and so will I. I have a Spyder Aggressor and its very reliable, never broke down at the field. I just needs to be properly maintained.

[Recon by Fire]

I wouldn't say a Spyder is not a realiable. I had a Spyder AMG for 1.5 years of play and it never broke or had a problem. But I would say that Mags are a more durable marker

[TheDuelist]

I have owned both Mags and Spyders. I have a Mag Classic which I purchased in 1993 which has never been rebuilt and still shoots consistantly even after sitting on a shelf unused for several years. I have an original Spyder compact which I got from my brother who quit playing not long after they came out. I have rebuilt it a couple of times so people can have a marker when they play.

Do I consider the spyder as good as a mag?

No.

The mag is simple to maintain and is more consistant and for the money you pay for the Spyder you can save a bit more and have a marker that will last you a lifetime with minimal maintenance. THe money you would spend upgrading the Spyder could go into paint or an air system. Patience and preference are the keys here. Be patient with your purchase. Buying something you have to upgrade is wasting your money. Buying something that doesn't need upgrades to be "as good" is spending wisely.

In the end its the decision of the person who is going to use the marker not the people responding to this thread. Good luck deciding.

[silentdeath55]

In the past 6 months, Kingman has pumped out a lot of electric guns. Each of them the same, but sone have a sight rail or foregrip or some other bell and/or wistle to make them cost more. The recent downpour of "new" markers can only mean one thing, cheap parts, and a cheap gun.

I own a mag, and my brother owns a spyder. Two completely different guns. I cant even begin to compair them. If i had the time i could come up with 100+ reasons why a mag is better then a spyder.

[-Carnifex-]

Originally posted by Torbo
the imagine is cheaply made. I hesitate to call it junk, but they are not reliable at all. A mag is simply better made, more consistant.

I don't know what you guys are talking about, my E-99 is great, very reliable. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I get -/+ 4
fps when I chrono.

[cky shane]

I don't know what you guys are talking about, my E-99 is great, very reliable. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I get -/+ 4

Yea, maybe with a Bob Long Torpedo and nitro.

[Torbo]

Originally posted by cky shane
Yea, maybe with a Bob Long Torpedo and nitro.

That would work. But why would you do that. The reg would cost half as much as the marker. A half decent n2 tank would cost more than the marker alone. That just doesnt make any sense at all. And add a barrel on top of that. I guess my negative experiances cant be expected to sway your opinion too much. Hopefully you wont ponder the cost to benefits for too long, as its pretty obvious. And i assume im gonna get flamed by spyder owners who dropped enough money into a cheaply made blowback that they could have bought a really nice high end gun in the first place.

[Morfesto]

The intimidator is a Electro pnumatic blowback. It is basicaly exacly like the spyder. Same body just with milling and instaid of a striker its a pnumatic hammer. And I know for a fact the timmy bolt fits perfectly in the spyder.

[studley192]

why?

Ill give you a few why mags are better. This comes from personal experiance, as my mag was not working one day so i have to use my backup piranha(same as spyder). Oh dont take the mag breaking down as a bad thing, i just put in a level 10 bolt, and the 9 year old piston need to be changed. See how long these things last?! amazing. but anyway

-Kickback-

Personally, i hate it up to a degree. Sypders kick like no other as they are blowback. This can be really annoying, unless you just like the feel for weird reasons. Automags have almost no kickback. The bolts are lighter, and are blowforward.

-Durability-

As i stated before, my mag has been working for 8 years without so much as a new oring. THis year i replaced the orings, and it works better. AGD takes pride, and will fix your gun for free if it has stars. Spyders, on the otherhand, arent so durable. The bolt on mine is starting to show some bad wear, and i oil it every game. They break down far more often then mags, as the parts just arent made to last as long since the guns a somewhat cheap.

- upgradability-

Sure, you can do certain things to any guns, such as slap nitro on, drop forward, expansion, reg, new barrel, new grip frame. But spyders only go so far. Even with these upgrades, its still a spyder. Personally, throwing a electronic trigger on a cheap semi gun with a heavy *** bolt is dumb if you ask me. The gun cant recharge fast enough, the kickback is inhumane, and those e-frames burn out like no other. Now, if you were to put one on a mag, though im not a fan of e-frames, you wont get the horrible kickback, and the recharged rate is faster, especially if you have RT valve, the worlds fastest recharging gun. Also, the level 10 makes it all worth it. Chopping ball will never happen again. I fine tuned mine so sensitive it bounces off paper, but shoots great. Put you finger in the feed on your spyder and shoot it? yea right the bolt will crunch your finger nicely. And paper, yea right.

- longevity -

how long do you plan to stay in paintball? not long? go for the spyder. i wouldnt recommend buying nitro to start off. Thats why i say this. Honestly, mags suck on CO2. or at elast mine does. If you get a mag, do it a favor and use nitro. buying expensice stuff like this, youd better play for a while. if you play long enough with a spyder, sooner or later youll be wanting a new gun. Mags, its a tough call. some people love to keep theirs for as long as they play and just trick it out. thats what i plan to do. that or just buying a emag.


also, imo mags are a lot smaller and compact than a lot of other guns. You cna get a micromag body and crunch it even smaller. With the new x-valves being aluminum, youll have a damn light gun too. if you have to have co2, id go for the spyder though.

[kenndogg]

I voted for the spyder. After all these years my tricked out spyder is still going strong.