Why is a Mag is better than a Spyder Imagine?

[team_heretix_trey]

I voted for a Spyder just to go against the crowd

[LoveMyMagMoreThanYou]

I've owned both. I love both. My Spyder was one of the originals. I had it tricked out to the point that it could keep up with anything on the field at the time. Why did I buy the 'Mag? I shot one. Less kickback, higher quality construction, less maintenance, and higher level of performance. The only problem that my 'Mag has ever had with chopping is the cheap paint I put through it. As for buying a nitro tank for your Spyder, if you want to, do it. Don't listen to anyone but yourself when it comes to upgrades. A nitro tank will be handy when you upgrade to the 'Mag later.

[jewie27]

This is why.............. and it's only the beginning.

[Ginjiroku]

Originally posted by Morfesto
The Imagine is a great marker. You should try giving it some upgrades like a new barrel and a regulator befor you go off and get a new marker. Its not the marker its the player. All you need is a good paint to barrel match.

Once your Imagine is tricked out then it would be time to conside moving on to somthing new you can trick out .

by the time he saves up the money(which he probobly could buy a mag with) the marker will have fallen apart.

[Big_Chops]

mags are the most reliabe gun in the WORLD (no joke) and spyders = pooo poo

[jewie27]

I agree, my 3 year old Spyder TL is still running well; but I have a Mag too and i'll never give it up!

[deathstalker]

The only reason my current Spyder is not my primary marker is because if it was, I would never have a chance to use all the other markers I've bought. It has never once gone down on me on the field, something I can't say about my 'Mag. It's just as consistent as everything else I've owned, which I chalk up to a quality air system and quality paint.

The problem with posting topics such as this is you get ignorant fanboys from both sides of the fence acting like they're experts. ALL markers have their shortcomings. To choose the marker that's best for you (or your friend), you need to list the pros and cons of each and compare them to the features you think are important.

[Evil1]

I have been using nothing but AGD guns since 1995 w/ no problems unless I've caused them.

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

deathstalker - you need to understand that some of us are still stupid idiotic youngens

take me as an example :)

back on topic
i have tried the imagine and it isn't all that bad. it's a decent beginner marker which is somewhat durable. the only thing that is sorta bad is that you need a vertical elbow for it.

Mag - i would definately get this over the spyder just because it is more durable, will work if you toss it into...well...we all know which ocean i'm gonna chuck the gun into, and once you grow old and fat the gun will still be around. Plus there are many upgrades for the mag(lvl10, ule trigger, ule body, intelliframe, z and y grip, etc.)

[jewie27]

Re: Why is a Mag is better than a Spyder Imagine?

[i]the most stupidest thing [/B]

that is more stupider. LOL *spell check*

[Jdogg]

there is NO marker out there better than a mag.

look at all the facts it has been proven. and it stupid to even compare a spyder to a mag. that is rec compared to tourny grade. mags have all the BA upgrades and you know what they say. once you go mag... you NEVER look back!!!

[Evil1]

Well said, JDogg!

[Evil1]

One other thing I forgot to mention about mags is that unlike most blowback guns, is that mags being blow forward action tend to beat up their internals less. Even an old mistreated mag usually doesn't look to bad inside whereas a spyder or spyder clone usually has sheared o rings, worn springs, worn bolts. What I am getting at is mags usually wear themselves in and get smoother and more consistent w/ age as long as they are maintained well and a blowback type gun usually wears itself out and needs to be rebuilt in a quarter of the time it takes a well maintained mag to wear out.

[DeeEight]

The most fundamental reason I can think of is while spyder's are available with a regulator to reduce hotshots, if you ever read the manual, let alone examined the regulator design, you'd realize its not very consistent, nor is the gun really designed for LP operation out of the box. They've used the same reg design since the shutter and that one called for
setting the output pressure between 600 and 700psi. The Automag classic's AIR valve runs about 400-450psi as I recall. Needless to say, automags are essentially LP guns while spyders are not (even though they try and pretend they are with so called LP chambers and regulators included with the guns).

The AIR valve (and many other regs like the Pure Energy secondary regs) use an adjustable spring-preload to adjust the gas output pressure. This in turn adjusts the velocity of the gun on automags but in general, this is a pretty accurate and consitent way to do a regulator. The regs that Kingman sells (and the 32 degree guns use the same reg design, as do many other made-in-taiwan guns), uses a fixed spring with an side-gas tap with a set-screw that limits the gas flow thru reg (much the same way as cheap regs work on air compressors). Its not very consistent for shot to shot performance though because the force of the spring remains constant (just like the valve spring in the gun), and only the volume of gas flowing into the regulator is being adjusted.

Essentially its cost cutting moves and design short cuts like this that are why you can't really compare a Kingman product to an AGD product.

[DeeEight]

Originally posted by Morfesto
The intimidator is a Electro pnumatic blowback. It is basicaly exacly like the spyder. Same body just with milling and instaid of a striker its a pnumatic hammer. And I know for a fact the timmy bolt fits perfectly in the spyder.

Really timmies are even lower tech than the e-bolted M98s (which have a full electronic solenoid and 2-way ram that runs off the low-pressure regulator and doesn't depend on blowback gas at all to recock). They just come with fancy milled bodies and a significant price hike.