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  • Interceptor
    Smooth Operator
    • Feb 2002
    • 64

    #316
    Help! I'm trying to install a ULT in my X-Valve mag, and I'm having trouble. I'm only using 1 spacer ring, and the thing is running away full auto when you touch the trigger. I had a ULTed mag a while back and it was not like this. What else can I do?
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    • nate2k191
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      • Feb 2003
      • 1170

      #317
      Originally posted by Interceptor
      Help! I'm trying to install a ULT in my X-Valve mag, and I'm having trouble. I'm only using 1 spacer ring, and the thing is running away full auto when you touch the trigger. I had a ULTed mag a while back and it was not like this. What else can I do?
      hmm, normally when its going full auto you have a lot of shims in it or a high input pressure, 950+

      I'd suggest oiling it and changing the shim count until it works. you have to find the right amount.
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      • Interceptor
        Smooth Operator
        • Feb 2002
        • 64

        #318
        I'm down to one shim right now and its still going nuts!
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        • Daemon
          Registered User
          • May 2006
          • 3

          #319
          I know putting a ULT on a smartmag valve is not recommended, but could i ask why it isn't? In other words, would it just be slight disadvantages or major malfunctions? I guess it'd be better to just bite the bullet and save up for an xvalve huh...

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          • jbp
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            • Nov 2003
            • 19

            #320
            Im getting terrible runaway on my mag and was told it is probably a ULT problem. Took it apart and found 4 shims. Popped 1 out but in but Im still getting runaway every time I pull the trigger. I ran out of air before I can test it w/ less...how many more shims should I remove before I can eliminate ULT as the problem?

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            • scrumpy
              Registered User
              • Mar 2004
              • 524

              #321
              Originally posted by Daemon
              I know putting a ULT on a smartmag valve is not recommended, but could i ask why it isn't? In other words, would it just be slight disadvantages or major malfunctions? I guess it'd be better to just bite the bullet and save up for an xvalve huh...
              It is not hazardous to use a ULT with a classic style valve. The disadvantage is the increased ease of shortstroking. Some can do it with much success, others can't.
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              • dreadpirate
                Registered User
                • Apr 2006
                • 70

                #322
                Apparently out of tolerance ULT on/off

                Ok, so after much fideling with my X-vavle, thinking my problem was bolt stick, a tech at a local store tried swapping my ULT on/off with a standard RT on/off, and voila, no more loss of pressure behind the trigger. Looking at the ULT on/off, we noted that somehow 7 shims had been installed prior to delivery to me. Putting fewer and fewer shims on it did not remove the loss of trigger pressure issue, and eventually caused a leak.
                So, my question is, how should the gun be performing now, with the standard on/off? I find that, besides a heavier trigger-pull, and harder punch from the RT, it is extremely easy to short-stroke, in fact, any attempt to shoot faster than about 10 bps results in short-stroking. Is this normal for the standard RT on/off? Will reoiling/ use of gun grease on the sear only, help? And if I order a new ULT on/off, how likely am I to have the exact same problem as before?


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                • Dover
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                  • Jun 2001
                  • 1703

                  #323
                  does anybody know if a Hyperframe on/off is as light (trigger pull) as the ULE kit? I'm considering buying a Spydermag frame...
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                  • wjr
                    Registered User
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 995

                    #324
                    Originally posted by Dover
                    does anybody know if a Hyperframe on/off is as light (trigger pull) as the ULE kit? I'm considering buying a Spydermag frame...
                    I don't think it is. It also wears away the bolt.
                    Last edited by wjr; 06-13-2006, 09:17 AM.

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                    • Beemer
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                      • Oct 2003
                      • 3250

                      #325
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                      • StygShore
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                        • Aug 2002
                        • 2854

                        #326
                        wowzers

                        Old thread....

                        Is BlackVCG even in the game anymore?


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                        • Plazmic
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                          • Oct 2003
                          • 473

                          #327
                          Originally posted by StygShore
                          Old thread....

                          Is BlackVCG even in the game anymore?


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                          • zyklon69
                            Registered User
                            • Oct 2001
                            • 211

                            #328
                            question... i'm thinking of getting the ult, but i still wanna keep some of the reactivity, so if i wanna do this, i gotta put in the maximum # of shims to start out with?

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                            • arplud223
                              Jackal
                              • Aug 2006
                              • 42

                              #329
                              Sick of searching

                              I have a x-valve all tuned and threw the ult with all but last shim and get 1-2 shots and then won't fire . Should I start using LV Shims too? it seems like too much. I still have Tiny Black o-ring in Baggie. Am i supposed to install that as well? Did anyone have to adjust lx or x-valve after installing ULT? Have Nitro Duck Adjustable Tank set at 800psi maybe little more. Seemed to get worse as i added more shims ( No Runaway ) Rear screw for valve Needs to be real tight? Haven't oiled on\off yet Should I? valve has been oiled very recently. I think that all my Questions- Thanx

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                              • arplud223
                                Jackal
                                • Aug 2006
                                • 42

                                #330
                                no answer

                                Is anyone gona answer? Caues my bolt is stickin now after all shims are in( it sticks after a good amount of shots ) its defin. not my LX caues that was workin perfectly before this. Unless you have to adjust it with this being in there( Which would be helpful if SOMEONE WOULD ANSWER .

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