Cocker vs. Mag

[Lemon]

This isn't what you think it is, so read on.

My plans were to build a mag from scratch with a ULE body and a non-classic valve w/LX installed (using these two parts as an example).

I know that the LX bolt accellerates to a mere 15fps so it's really easy on paint as opposed to the classic bolts, but it also runs like 200psi higher than the classic bolt.

When I read that it ran at around 600psi @ 290 fps I was like "err maybe I should go with a cocker", because that could pretty hard on paint and would cause pressure related barrel breaks to increase into the Tippmann range.

But, I dunno what to think cuz I also read that cockers are high-flow low-pressure guns and mags are low-flow mid/high-pressure guns so this is becoming a really confusing battle between the two.

Does the LX bolt cause air to hit the ball at 600psi?

Because the autococker is 'high-flow' does that mean the air hits the ball harder?

"Argh!"
-Peanuts

[Lemon]

Let's say I tuned a cocker down to around 200psi and I had a mag with a minimag valve and an installed/tuned LX bolt.

Which would break more paint (not including chops, so I guess lets say it's and eBladed cocker or something)?

[Dayspring]

Minimum input pressure to the mag- 600psi
Regulated pressure in dump chamber- ~400psi
Pressure the ball ACTUALLY sees? 65psi

[Lemon]

I can't really argue with 4000+ posts (lol) but can anyone vouch for that.

That seems good and all but I am unsure on what that means. What psi would a ball be hit by in 200psi cocker, in comparison?

[Dayspring]

Vouch for it? Anybody at the IAO tech class could. So could anybody that sits around and talks tech with Tom.

[Lemon]

Ok ok!

Sorry for buggin'

What about the pressure in cockers?

[Lemon]

Like how much more likely would a 200psi cocker be to break paint in the barrel than a Level 10 mag using the same barrel and same paint.

[Lemon]

This is really bothering me.
I am debating whether to continue this mag project or go with a cocker or what.

[afrankart]

Put it this way, I have put probably 13 cases through my level 10 and I have not had to clean paint off of my bolt once. Not one time. I have had a few barrel breaks, but that has nothing to do with the level 10.

[SpecialBlend2786]

I can't really argue with 4000+ posts (lol)

hahaha

[Lemon]

Alright... mag project continues.

Some pros use barrels that are way bigger than their paint to prevent barrel breaks. Who cares about efficiency?

[Tunaman]

I have about 50000 rounds through one of my Level 10 mags and have yet to chop one single ball. Hard to beleive? I speak the truth. Others can verify the awesomeness of never chopping balls again!

[Indi86]

I don't think there are many cockers that operate well below 300psi... maybe a well tuned orracle or similar super cocker, but no others really.

[Lemon]

I don't doubt the chop-free thing in the level 10. I know how that works. It's the air striking the ball that I was worried about.

Then I read this:

Minimum input pressure to the mag- 600psi
Regulated pressure in dump chamber- ~400psi
Pressure the ball ACTUALLY sees? 65psi

Is there a gun that can compare to the pressure hitting the ball in a mag?

Thx guys.

[Lemon]

I think the question I should be asking is what is the fps of the air hitting a ball in a LX mag and what marker compares to it?

(if I corrected myself with another problem, please ignore this post lol)