Closed Bolt Palmers vs Pnuemag

[SR_matt]

lol, i hope dive air is clean... when i'm 2 or 3 atm's down i don't want to think about what i'm breathing in... only real concern is how much longer do i have to be breathing this stuff before i should be riding up the water column towards air that isn't compressed into a cylinder for my breathing pleasure. hmm not a bad idea to get fills from a scuba shop... i might try that. what pressure can they fill up to?

i just got a classic valve for just in case there's no air available, and also to build a "friends gun" or potentially to build a project i've been thinking of... (bull-pup styled pneumag w/ a qloader) you never know... once i start replacing a few things on my rt that i got i'll have this spare mag sorted out... i think i'm gonna get a luke's vert feed mod done to a classic feed body... more or less i miss shooting my two favorite twist lock barrels that i've hung onto (pmi perfect 11in and a 10in dye stainless)

dive shops fill to 3000 at least, some people use 4500 tanks and from what i have heard (not into diving, done it once but got to many hobbies) the 4500 are not as common

-matt

[p8ntbal4me]

hmm your lucky, dive shop air is gona be much cleaner (since it legaly must be cleaner) than most air at fields.

i had a rather indepth argument with my friend about how co2 will work an ony gun with the right reg set up but he woudltn listen, supposedly co2 is dirty and hpa compressors have so many scrubers and filters to make the air very clean... ya right, a pure gas has mroe dirt than air that was pulled from the surrounding area and ran through a cheap filter system that didnt pull everything out and hasnt been empied by the guy "running" it lately
-matt

I was just watching the 68Automag video with TK in it from 1992,...

He mentioned the "phenomenon" called "Dirty Co2" in the video.

He says it was due to rusting occuring inside the bottles and not the thought that Co2 was "dirty".

I always get a kick out of watching the videos from the old days!

[SR_matt]

ya that is a problem but if the supplier checks their tanks correctly it should be an exteamly rare- non existant thing

-matt

[Thotograph]

right on... yeah between photography, music, and paintball i don't have any room for diving either but i'm certified. it's still an amazing feeling to be breathing underwater... how'd you like your experience? were you in the ocean or freshwater? there's nothing like diving on a reef. i bet scuba shops would be pretty cheap for fills. i can't stand the shops that charge for 4500 but only get it up to around 3k once it cools... i don't think i've ever had a fill go all the way to 4500 (even right after it got filled). any idea if moisture in the air could affect a regulator or bottle? could it build up in the tank?

what would be the best configuration for running co2 on a classic mag? i'd think a remote and then perhaps an expansion but anyone got the handle on this? i've got a remote (and i think a stock as well) and i'm planning on getting a 20oz for just in case co2 is all that is available at a field. how should i run it? i'm thinking just hook up a remote and my AGD bike handle style gas thru foregrip will help a little with expanding it.

[SR_matt]

right on... yeah between photography, music, and paintball i don't have any room for diving either but i'm certified. it's still an amazing feeling to be breathing underwater... how'd you like your experience? were you in the ocean or freshwater? there's nothing like diving on a reef. i bet scuba shops would be pretty cheap for fills. i can't stand the shops that charge for 4500 but only get it up to around 3k once it cools... i don't think i've ever had a fill go all the way to 4500 (even right after it got filled). any idea if moisture in the air could affect a regulator or bottle? could it build up in the tank?

what would be the best configuration for running co2 on a classic mag? i'd think a remote and then perhaps an expansion but anyone got the handle on this? i've got a remote (and i think a stock as well) and i'm planning on getting a 20oz for just in case co2 is all that is available at a field. how should i run it? i'm thinking just hook up a remote and my AGD bike handle style gas thru foregrip will help a little with expanding it.

i went diving in hawaii (me and my bro went along with them for their 30th anneversery casue my dad had an insance amount of hotel and ticket points) we went in maui, it was great, the dive master fed a turtle out of his hand, the 3rd time hes done it in like his 20 years of diving.

moisture, unless an insane amount, shouldnt be to bad espicaly if its just what was in the air out side, it shoudlnt build up in the tank, and if it does condense you could probably tip it upside down and try to vent (probably nto good procedure but if you cant get it out any other way).

the set up you aer planing sounds fine, you might want to try to get a expansion chamber not a gas through just incase but you should be fine.

-matt

[matteusz]

i went diving in hawaii (me and my bro went along with them for their 30th anneversery casue my dad had an insance amount of hotel and ticket points) we went in maui, it was great, the dive master fed a turtle out of his hand, the 3rd time hes done it in like his 20 years of diving.

moisture, unless an insane amount, shouldnt be to bad espicaly if its just what was in the air out side, it shoudlnt build up in the tank, and if it does condense you could probably tip it upside down and try to vent (probably nto good procedure but if you cant get it out any other way).

the set up you aer planing sounds fine, you might want to try to get a expansion chamber not a gas through just incase but you should be fine.

-matt

I tried it with an x chamber and the bottle on a drop and had problems. With a remote and an expansion I do just fine in 60 deg plus weather. I found some cheap in line expansion chambers on ebay and put one on my remote so it goes tank, inline chamber, chamber on gun then valve. I have one gun with a response trigger and I can rip with it all I want and no problems. I think the bike grip might not be sufficient if you are shooting lots or fast or in cold weather but otherwise a remote setup and you are good.

[Thotograph]

i got ya... i'm only gonna have this setup for plan b so i'm not trying to optimize it's just gotta work... looks like i sold the gas tru stock so i'll have to pick up another b/c i def want a stock if i'm running remote. however i'm at the cocktail napkin phase of designing a bull-pup style pneumag. pm me if you have any ideas for how to set that up... i'm gonna start my own thread for discussing that. know anyone that could mill me a custom rail?

maui sounds amazing for diving... really cool about the turtle... i got certified in the bahamas and that was a blast... been to some springs and other dives since but i want to go back to the islands really bad. i'd need to update my equipment (no scuba only a freediving setup) b/c my fins are shot