automag rt

[snoopay700]

i have always gone with the xvalve on my mags but just wanted to know what the difference is with the emag valve?

Nothing, it's the same valve, only the front half is made out of stainless steel (excluding the Emax and such). I would just put an x-valve or some other valve on that ULE body, rail, and intelliframe you got and make another gun, and then you'll be good to go.

[BigTrucker]

If your looking to put some money into it you could add a ULE body.
http://store.airgundesignsusa.com/in...7&categoryID=9

Your better off just buying a new RT instead of sending it in for an upgrade

[snoopay700]

Your better off just buying a new RT instead of sending it in for an upgrade

That costs over 150 more than just sending it in, although i'm with you there, only because i like the classic RT and would hate to see another one die.

[hillg]

im going to keep the rt the way it is. I will be putting a new gun together with all the parts i have.

That costs over 150 more than just sending it in, although i'm with you there, only because i like the classic RT and would hate to see another one die.

[snoopay700]

im going to keep the rt the way it is. I will be putting a new gun together with all the parts i have.

Another classic RT lives to see another day. Just like i can't explain why people hate them so much, i can't explain why i love them so much.

[snoopay700]

Sorry for the double post, but i finally found it, this is what you'll need to make it so you can use a ULE body on a classic RT:

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=177563&highlight=ule

[p8ntbal4me]

Okay.

Im back from work now and I got some time to edit my post,.. so Im gonna re-post what Snoopy said and I'll go from there.

I figured out what makes all my options seem wrong so Im changing them now. Foget what I said about the choice for uses of the older valve and the newer valve..... just go for each component.

Choices of Rails: If you want to use your older valve,.. like Snoopy said,.. you have to use the older one with the gas ports drilled into it.
If you dont want to use your older valve, your choices are limited to the body specs. Check the mounting hole on the body to see if it fits the rail you want to use.
You can use your older R/T rail with EVERY body out there if you cut an eliptical shape out around the mounting hole space in your rail.

Body: have to use classic bodies for the most part. You could get away with another one but you wont like the way it will look (the valve and body lines dont line up)

I should have said CLASSIC R/T bodies,.. thats what I mean to say. I figured we were talking about the R/T,..and that to me is the R/T,.. not the R/T Pro.

So when I said "classic bodies", I meant classic R/T bodies with a twist lock.

If you want to use your older rail,.. your stuck with a classic R/T body style or one that fits the mounting hole footprint of the rail. Again,... check the body to see what will fit.


Bolts: you can use the standard Level 7 you have with your valve or you can get a level 10 and use that. The level 10 is an anti-chop (which does work when properly tuned)

So ask yourself,... do I want an X-Valve?

If you do you have 2 options: Cut the older body or get a ULE body
This won't work, the rail you have won't really allow it because it's lacking the locking groove for the guide pin of the x-valve, but you can use it in that nice new rail you bought
Your correct where you say the rail wont work unless you mod it,.. but cutting the body to fit a new X-Valve which is why I specifically put the part "Do I want an X-Valve?" before this line. I know,.. un-clear. So what I meant what that if you decide you like your classic body, you need a new rail because the new X-Valve has the guide pin sticking out. You can take it off,.. but not recommended (safety).

The ULE/Rail/X-Valve route is mor expensive from where you stand unless you do some work to the rail yourself.
This is irrelevant because you have a rail, although he's pretty much right on this if i'm understanding it

Cheapest route is to send the valve out to get drilled for the ULT, slap the Intelli frame on the gun, maybe get the level 10 with an X-Valve when your ready. You dont need the bolt yet,.. but its nice to have. Id think you would be happy right away with the ULT in your older valve and that Intelli-frame. Right there you will notice a difference in the rate of fire.

This is a bad idea, if you get the valve drilled out to accept the ULT just get a level 10, as you can't use the x-valve on your classic RT but you can use it to make a whole new gun with that rail, ULE body, and intelliframe that you ordered, let us know if you take that route and post pictures

Err,.. .this part is confusing Snoop. How is this a bad idea? And the way I read this,.. how are you relating the ULT to the level 10? One lightens the trigger pull, the other prevents chopped paint. The original question was "what can I do" so we were listing all possible options. At the time of my post he didnt have the ULE body,.. so that was not an option for his choices in hand. He said he had a rail and the ULT. So I posted from my point what he could do,.... jsut my post was WAY WAY confusing.

A whole new gun will cost him more, and he will still have left over parts that he cant use when he pieces from one rail to another valve. Basically the way I read your opinion,.. he should not upgrade the R/T and get a newer R/T Pro. I cant see how thats cheaper beyond a ULT and maybe a level 10.

I'm not doing this to badmouth p8nt, or make him look bad, i just want to make sure that you (hillg) get the right information so you don't do something that you'll regret. I blame his mistakes on his brain being fried from studying for finals, we've all been there for the most part.

Its kewl,.. I should have never hit the submit button at the time. Burns me that I was so out of wack that night due to school work. Besides,... we all here to help where we can! :)

Anyways,... Hillg,.. you got choices. I like your interest in the R/T,.. but I think Snoop is right. Take your pieces of what you have new,.. piece a newer R/T together and use that. Keep your classic R/T, and upgrade it a little bit at a time when you can. A ULT here, a level 10 there. Then you can have 2 guns, both working, from one generation to the next.

Nothing is hotter than a classic R/T ripping 20+bps!!!!!

~ P8nt

[hillg]

i have been seeing people with Pnuemags mags. What is this? what does it mean? From what i have seen it has something to do with your frame?

[p8ntbal4me]

i have been seeing people with Pnuemags mags. What is this? what does it mean? From what i have seen it has something to do with your frame?

Im not an expert on the Pneumags cause Ive only built one. Im more into the EP Mags.

To answer your question:

A Pneumag is an AGD marker that uses a ram to push the sear and cycle the gun rather than the pressure from your finger on the trigger, which pushes a sear rod back and fires the gun. Simple version.

What we do is take the sear rod out, install a MSV-2 (which has air running thought it and is attached to the trigger inside the frame via a small rod behind your trigger.

When you pull the trigger, the MSV-2 is pushed and it allows air to run up into the ram and hit the sear,.. which fires the gun.

Idea is,.... it takes ounces to push the MSV-2,... and you can fire your mag very fast.

Again,... this is the simple version. Other users on here are better to answer the question if you decide to go this route.

~ P8nt

[hillg]

is it worth going that way? i mean this is a project gun and its not like i need it right away. Just need to know how hard it is to do and is it alot of $$$$. Plus im going with the inteliframe will that make a diffrence.

[p8ntbal4me]

is it worth going that way? i mean this is a project gun and its not like i need it right away. Just need to know how hard it is to do and is it alot of $$$$. Plus im going with the inteliframe will that make a diffrence.

I wouldnt dive into it right away until you have a gun to play ball with and then get a gun to do the mod to.

Just my 2 cents.

[hillg]

[QUOTE=p8ntbal4me]I wouldnt dive into it right away until you have a gun to play ball with and then get a gun to do the mod to.

Just my 2 cents.[/QU

i got guns. fusion f8, spyder vs3, system x cocker. this is my baby that we are working on here.

[snoopay700]

To P8nt:

I suppose we're both really bad at expressing what we really mean, as we both have had to go back and elaborate our meanings :)

What i meant by it's a bad idea is i meant that if he does drill out his valve to accept the ULT then i personally think it's a bad idea for him to wait until he gets an x-valve to get a level 10, because then he wouldn't need an x-valve and i think it's cheaper to just put a level 10 in his RT, then make another gun with his other parts if he wants, but don't wait because unless he has a really good hopper he has a chance of chopping, especially if he walks it with the ULT.

As for upgrading to an RT Pro, i just don't think he should do that since he's halfway, i was simply saying that he shouldn't wait until he gets an x-valve to get a level 10.

As for your final statement about making a new one and upping the classic a little at a time, i couldn't agree more.

edit: As for the pnumag, you can do this with an intelliframe, all you need is either a mill or a dremel, i would suggest the former as it'll be cleaner, and a drill that you can drill the frame with. PM Pnuemagger for a link to his video that tells you exactly how to do it, it's great.

[hillg]

well the new project is coming together. I have a new rail, RPG vert asa, ule and inteliframe. The gun is going to a pneumag and i have all the parts to get that started. I have contacted thefool who is going to do some anno work. Is going to be blue and black with the barrel kit fading from black to blue. I will get some pics up on here with all the parts before the gun is put together and annoed. Will keep you posted. BTW i am also looking to get a karta rail and body so if anyone knows of someone trying to sell one let me know.

[snoopay700]

well the new project is coming together. I have a new rail, RPG vert asa, ule and inteliframe. The gun is going to a pneumag and i have all the parts to get that started. I have contacted thefool who is going to do some anno work. Is going to be blue and black with the barrel kit fading from black to blue. I will get some pics up on here with all the parts before the gun is put together and annoed. Will keep you posted. BTW i am also looking to get a karta rail and body so if anyone knows of someone trying to sell one let me know.

You should definitely get pictures up of both of your mags, especially the RT, i don't know why but i love guns that go away from the norm (even if it's bad like in the case of the RT, as i found mine weighs 4 pounds without a tank, 6 with).