Would you still buy AGD products if....

[BigEvil]

1) AGD products were made in China or Taiwan would you still buy them

and

2)If Tom Kay was in NO WAY associated with AGD would that matter?


Discuss.

[Temo Vryce]

1) Not likely, due to lack of quality control standards.

2) If AGD held the standards that were put forth by Tom then yes. If not then no I wouldn't. AGD is a quality product. Which is why most of us use a marker that has been in paintball as long or longer than most of the people here.

[RavishingEddie]

If believe that if Tom Kaye disappeared great minds here in AO would continue to help with ideas on how to improve designs, which is what I think Tom wants.
Yes I would still continue to buy from AGD.

If AGD went to China, it would mean that they are mass producing. Materials as well as quality would have to be cheaper, thus they would be just another over priced cheap fast gun manufacturer. Even well known manufacturers with quality guns like Planet Eclipse Egos lose about 50% of their guns value in only a year.
I would not buy from AGD.

[behemoth]

NO WAI.

US OF A + TOM KAYE FTW.

Haiguyz.

[Chrishew09]

I would depend on the quality of the product, you can get quality out of china but you just need to have a good manufacturing process and hold them to it.
So Yes, if the quality is there.

Having TK leave AGD for good probably wouldn't effect my decision to buy from AGD as long as my above statement is hold true.

[Dawg047]

Hmm, If AGD went to China. Well, like others stated, its all about the quality. Quality can come from China, it is just a matter of harvesting it. So yes, if you kept the same quality that AGD puts into these products now, I would buy if......see next pragraph.

Now, Tom Kaye, he is a different story. Tom brings some of the best innovation and ideas along with laboratory tested information that this sport has ever seen. He is truly a brilliant mind. I think that if he gave his approval over what came out of China, I would buy %100. There, that answers the top.-Dawg047

[robnix]

1) AGD products were made in China or Taiwan would you still buy them

Yes, I don't buy AGD gear because it's made in America, I buy it because I know that that the company sticks to it's guns on quality regardless of who does the work for them. (no pun intended.)

2)If Tom Kay was in NO WAY associated with AGD would that matter?

No.

Here's a question:

Say AGD moved production offshore, but kept the quality the same, and SP moved production back to the US, but kept their lack of quality the same, which company would you buy from?

[RogueFactor]

Ive worked for 2 companies that manufacture in China. Quality was always an issue. There is little cost benefit in having parts made in smaller quantities overseas that require strict quality adherence.

Also, once the consumer knows a product is made in China, they expect it to be cheaper. Adhering to quality isnt cheap, whether thats here in the US or overseas. Maybe in 10-20 years China will evolve to be known(like Japan now is) to produce quality parts, as for now...they are known for cheap.

Here's a question:

Say AGD moved production offshore, but kept the quality the same, and SP moved production back to the US, but kept their lack of quality the same, which company would you buy from?

If the prices remained the same, I wouldnt buy either of them. If I wanted an overseas made item, I have plenty already to choose from.

The only benefit to moving overseas is cheaper manufacturing. The only way to do it cheaper is with cheaper labor, or cheaper production methods. There isnt a cheaper production method to making these parts. So the only way to get these thigns cheaper is to either increase volume, or cut corners. High volume is something AGD has not had in many years(if ever).

Cheap labor on automated CNC machining centers adds little cost savings. Thats why the goods China is largely known for making are manual labor goods(textiles that require sewing, any sort of intensive labor assembly, etc).

[Chaos_Theory!]

If the parts being made elsewhere cut down in the insane costs of some mag parts i wouldnt mind.

TK being involved really doesnt matter at all unless your saying he wasnt ever associted with AGD. In that case there wouldnt be an AGD/the products the company has now.

[going_home]

When I bought from AGD the first time I didnt have a clue who Tom was.
And its probably that way for the majority of first time mag owners.
So I doubt that would matter one bit.

Honestly I have no idea where AGD parts are made right now so....
I dont think China is an issue at all, what the issue is, is quality, and AGD is that without question.

[Mongoose]

When I bought from AGD the first time I didnt have a clue who Tom was.
And its probably that way for the majority of first time mag owners.
So I doubt that would matter one bit.

Honestly I have no idea where AGD parts are made right now so....
I dont think China is an issue at all, what the issue is, is quality, and AGD is that without question.

name one quality item made in china

[going_home]

name one quality item made in china

Ford ..... oh wait ..... thats found on road dead.
Or was it funny old rebuilt Dodge ?

[joelbird]

1) No i would not buy anything new for the guns i have but would look for the old parts and the parts made by forum members. ( mother and father are both steel mill workers, plus 4 other family members) it would be wrong for me.

2) Tom Kaye is the man that I honestly did not know was behind this 10 years ago. just like many great inventions i use everyday. i can't name who made them but you can never take the credit away from them.

as for the ford thing Ford Econoline 95% USA USA

here is some research ( NOT that I want to start a war or debate! )

http://forums.subdriven.com/zerothread?id=3079813

[robnix]

name one quality item made in china

Call Apple or Lenovo, they'll give you a list.

[robnix]

Ive worked for 2 companies that manufacture in China. Quality was always an issue. There is little cost benefit in having parts made in smaller quantities overseas that require strict quality adherence.

Also, once the consumer knows a product is made in China, they expect it to be cheaper. Adhering to quality isnt cheap, whether thats here in the US or overseas. Maybe in 10-20 years China will evolve to be known(like Japan now is) to produce quality parts, as for now...they are known for cheap.




If the prices remained the same, I wouldnt buy either of them. If I wanted an overseas made item, I have plenty already to choose from.

The only benefit to moving overseas is cheaper manufacturing. The only way to do it cheaper is with cheaper labor, or cheaper production methods. There isnt a cheaper production method to making these parts. So the only way to get these thigns cheaper is to either increase volume, or cut corners. High volume is something AGD has not had in many years(if ever).

Cheap labor on automated CNC machining centers adds little cost savings. Thats why the goods China is largely known for making are manual labor goods(textiles that require sewing, any sort of intensive labor assembly, etc).

Informative, but not quite the answer I was looking for.