Would you still buy AGD products if....

[BigEvil]

Dave bought the inventory and I let him use the name etc to sell the product.
AGD

That sure is gracious of you considering its AGD products that he bought from you.

[buzzbrick]

1.) the best part of an AGD marker is the unbelievable durability and quality. cutting production costs, and inevitably quality, just wouldn't seem like AGD. i couldn't imagine holding a mag and thinking to myself 'boy, its a pity they made this part so flimsy'
2.) anyone that has Tom's blessing is just fine with me

[skipdogg]

1) only if there seemed to be absolutly no difference in current specs, prices, quality,etc. otherwise no.

2)See #1 , and add crying like a girl.

[Motorhead]

ORLY
What computer are you typing on might I ask... Or what brand monitor are you looking at?

:rofl:

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Computer a Hewlett Packard made in Singapore and a Sony Trinitron monitor made in the USA.

Your point ?

[VeeWee]

slightly off topic

I work for Ford and this pisses me off to no end... Toyota Camry made in America, Ford Fusion made in Mexico.

[Bulldog]

Anything is possible. Note the across the board price increases on AGD products. Hypothetically, an option to move production to China would help lower cost, no?

I also deal with Chinese manufacturing every day, and from several different locations. It seems that neither of them can do the same thing correctly twice in a row. Whether its a products color, packaging, container cubing, or even cargo manifests there are issues every day here. Crap like that goes with the 'cheap' territory.

Things can either be made for a low cost and poorly or for more money and better quality.

They say to be successful you need to do one thing better than anyone else. The one thing AGD has always done better than any other paintball manufacturer is make a better quality product. You can argue faster, lighter, more efficient, but you cannot argue quality. A move to Chinese production would eliminate that standard.

The one thing China can do better, is make dollar store quality products cheaply.

Another thing about my original post, is that there is, or was, a cult like loyalty to Tom Kaye. I was curious to know how people would react to his permanent absence.

I agree. My statement you quoted was in response to someone above it who asked if quality stayed the same, but in China. I guess it's possible to produce a quality product over there, but I wouldn't hold my breath, or want to be involved with the headaches associated with trying to do so.

As to the second part of your question, I think a lot of people would be disheartened by his absence. He's one of the few owners that has made himself accessible to the public, and that's endeared him to a lot of people. I know when I torqued the heck out of my X mag feed neck, and actually got a response from the guy who owned the company I was impressed. They'd probably lose a lot of customers if he wasn't associated with AGD anymore. But it's just a guess.

[Russ]

I like the idea that AGD is an American company, run by good folks. Tom's involvement in the company has turned me from a consumer into a fanatic, and for that, I'm greatful

I realize that they have most of their products made by third party manufacturer's, and I've always hoped that these were American companies, but I have no way of knowing.

IIRC, the X Mags were machined in Great Britain

[AGD]

Russ,

Have no fear, everything was made here (mostly within miles of the factory so we could go check on them). Even the xmag was made by our sister company AGD Europe (in their garage) so it was still in the family.

AGD

[foefumm]

Russ,

Have no fear, everything was made here (mostly within miles of the factory so we could go check on them). Even the xmag was made by our sister company AGD Europe (in their garage) so it was still in the family.

AGD

[Tao]

1) Where it is made makes no difference, what counts is quality. If agd managed to manufacture in Asia and ship it over here and maintain quality I would still buy AGD stuff. The exception I would list would be that AGD takes some moral responsibility and ensures they arent selling their business to a manufacturer who doesnt treat their employess fairly (i.e. sweat shop).

2) I doubt TK would ever not be involved in some way since it is something he created and has great pride for. However the rest of AGD is still a great company and I have had great interactions (as limited as they are) with the AGD staff. I would still buy AGD stuff with the only expection being if they were owned by smart parts :rofl:

[Tao]

Just so you guys know, I still own the company, Dave bought the inventory and I let him use the name etc to sell the product. I am still interested in the long term survival of AGD and am keeping all the options open on that INCLUDING being involved down the road.

And as you can see I still come here every day.

AGD

It would be nice to see!
At least I am sure that the smart parts patent issues cant cover anything. How about designing the Segway mounted Mag?

[blake20]

From China, Not on NO but NOOOOOOO

You all are correct you can get good products from China, But you have spend the $ to get them. Then you have to spend more $ to check them once they get here to make sure that you are going to get the quality all the time that you want. I'm not wanting to rant but we seem to be the most stupid country of people in the world. We seem to think China is our friend!!!! HELLO they are a Communist Country, Last time I checked That was a bad thing. So we buy cheap toys for our kids just to save a buck, and no one bothers to find out until after the fact, that the toys my kids are putting in their mouth are full of lead. HELLO that leads to Brain damage. Most of you probably have not heard about the China Steel Issue, so here it is. Steel is supposed to have a certain Chemistry to qualify for a grade spec ASTM. China has flooded the market with Cheap Structural Beams and Structural Tubing. This has been going on for some time. Buildings, Bridges, Equipment, anything made with steel members have this cheap steel in it. Guess what no one bothered to check this material after the 1st few shipments and now we find it does not even come close to the specs. So China is going to make us stupid with lead and kill us when our Bridges fall and building collapse All the time were paying for it. This is only 2 examples how may more are there??? I said it before WE ARE STUPID PEOPLE!!!!

My answer to the 1st question if you couldn't tell is NOOOOOOOOOO!

As for the 2nd question I agree with most of you if the person who took over the Company remembered how and what the Company stood for I don't think that there would be a problem. I have not been here for as long of a time as most of you but just from his posts, I think that all of us would miss Tom.

Too much said. Sorry for the rant

[RogueFactor]

Good story.

http://jobs.aol.com/article/_a/small-manufacturers-desperately-seek/20080123163009990001

While millions of jobs making everything from textiles to steel have moved to powerhouses such as China in recent years, precision manufacturing remains a crucial niche in the USA, one that is overworked and chronically understaffed.

State officials say less-skilled work will continue to move overseas where pay is lower. The state has pledged $17 million to develop a skilled workforce and keep the high-precision sector here. "We're not going to compete on the price of our labor, we're going to compete on the skill of our labor," said Sandi Vito, the state's deputy secretary for workforce development.

Smaller businesses -- those with 200 employees or fewer -- make up the bulk of the U.S. manufacturing sector, and for them the skills shortage is a crucial issue.

[PumpPlayer]

If it meant that they could make the E/X-Mag again and assuming that the product was exactly the same in all of its high-quality goodness...


Yes, no question.