I agree.
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Look at this way. The SP1 and similar can be seen as entry level. When you decide to get serious you upgrade that's all there is to it. A lot of people don't wanna mess with electro and if you can build a superior product that functions as well if not better, the real players will go for it.
If AGD did come out with something new that functioned as well or better than what they have now, perhaps at lower pressure (since that's the big thing these days) I'm sure you'd sell plenty. Let's face it, the mag is not dead. New people are buying them all the time. I've been playing for only 5 years and I just started with mags less than a year ago and I'm hooked. Many of my friend would LOVE to get a nice mag, but just can't afford it. So yes, affordability is an issue, but it's not the main issue. My friends all have their tippys and Ions, but all save up and say "Some day, I'll have a Mag!!!".Comment
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Yeah.. I know people still buy mags.. but I also know that the majority of people out there upgrade to higher end LP electro's..Comment
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I think it's also because people don't stay in the sport long enough. They start with a "cheap" marker, play with it a year, put it in the closet and move on to something else. So they don't reach the phase of needing a higher quality marker.Comment
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que roguefactor with 'ramping is killing the sport' commentsOriginally posted by michbich
j/k rogue I agree with you!Comment
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Not just ramping, but high rates of fire in general.Originally posted by mostpeopleComment
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well i know this wont be much help, at this point, but should i ever come into a large wack of cash (lottery win, guns I'm building actually sell) i actually plan on buying my way into AGD.
and maybe contracting a hit on a couple of Agriculturists.
I know a couple of Gardeners that should be uh... planted!Comment
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while ya of course i wish a good company would be able to hit it big all the time there will always be a low and frankly after the "cheaper" phase of society a quality phase comes. people in general in society are starting to push back for quality in products. many specialty shops are popping up more and more but ti will be a slow road back to that type of thing every where.
now that the bps race is mostly over at least in any realistic manner now its about weight, balance, cost, and air efficiency. agd's more modern guns have weight on their side for the most part, the ease of maintenance is mostly there for them, balance is mostly there, cost in the long term is there but buyers may not see it but we all know air efficiency isnt here and the electro part has fallen out.
the things that would bring agd to more popularity would have to be electro/pneu frames readily available for reasonable price and air efficiency. some one with more physics ability than i could probably figure out what needs to be done but i would assume lighter bolt, lighter spring, and wider air passages if done correctly could provide it but its figuring it out and then be able to implement it. neither of which are easy to do or cheap.
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Something to keep in mind guys, AGD has always been high end, I do not think Tom's business model was to compete with the low end marker its just to difficult. Add up the number of low end vs. high end markers out there and you will see that the amount of low end greatly out numbers the high end.
In my humble opinion what AGD should do is make a pneumatic frame, and engineer the valve to operate down to about 400psi, I think the market is to flooded with electo markers right now.Comment
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just so clarify you do mean as the input psi (the reservoirs now only hold around 450 but the on/off is what is taking the 800)Originally posted by Chrishew09
a larger on/off should provide more surface area for the lower psi air to be able to provide more force and lower air consumption
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Originally posted by michbich
I think the recent resurgance of pump players shows that we are all rapidly getting tired of markers that shoot "$6 a second" I think they should start using DPS (dollars per second) as the speed rating for new markers/hoppers.
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Yes, input pressure.Originally posted by SR_matt
I was not aware that the on/off was the reason for the 800psi, learn something new every day.Comment
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Originally posted by WarwitchI think the recent resurgance of pump players shows that we are all rapidly getting tired of markers that shoot "$6 a second" I think they should start using DPS (dollars per second) as the speed rating for new markers/hoppers.
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or at least its one of the reasons, recharge rate may be in there as well but ive found volume is more important than psi, when my tank full (4500) i get a lot more rt than when my tank drops down to 2000-2500 yet it still out puts the same 800 psi. but the normal psi that is held behind the bolt is about 450 so you can theoreticaly use a mag to 450 psi in your tank and on my mag at least i can get it down to 5-600, cant shoot much but can still shoot.Originally posted by Chrishew09
a friend had mentioned trying to do an lp mag and was pretty serious but he just ran out of time
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My design is LP, but that's merely incidental. I don't really believe in this LP hooey anyways. I took a 440 grain arrow without vanes and shoved it down the barrel of me level 7 mag. It only shot out about 3 feet. It didn't even have enough power to put the tip into the ground. That's soft.Originally posted by TwistedpsycheComment
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