Soon you will be supporting Smart Parts when you buy a Quick-Release feedneck...

[Ydna]

This is the patent for a cam-lever locking feedneck, not for all clamping feednecks. There's quite a difference!

[RogueFactor]

This is the patent for a cam-lever locking feedneck, not for all clamping feednecks. There's quite a difference!

Cam-Lever = Quick-Release. Just as the title states.

[Ydna]

oops I forgot the quote. I was replying to a previous post.

forgiving the exaggerated untruth of the title...

[RogueFactor]

forgiving the exaggerated untruth of the title...

Would the licensing of the electro-patent be an exaggerated untruth too?...

[Ydna]

of course not! It's not conjecture if it already happened. But the way you spoke it, it sounds like smart parts threatens to serve companies for each and every of their 32 issued patents, of course not the case either...

[RogueFactor]

of course not! It's not conjecture if it already happened. But the way you spoke it, it sounds like smart parts threatens to serve companies for each and every of their 32 issued patents, of course not the case either...

LOL! And it isnt conjecture when you have history as evidence to base ones beliefs.

But, being that you are loosely affiliated with Smart Parts...Are you going on the record on behalf of Smart Parts to say that they have spent their money on this patent to NOT ask for licensing fees?

[Beemer]

of course not! It's not conjecture if it already happened. But the way you spoke it, it sounds like smart parts threatens to serve companies for each and every of their 32 issued patents, of course not the case either...

And you think that, why??

[Ydna]

We're not talking about the electro patent here, we're talking about a smallfry accessory design. SP has patents on more than just electronics...that's actually a very small percentage of their IP. They litigate over their two or three electro patents they own, not over each and every single claim they have in every other single patent they have.

I'm not saying anything about what they plan to do with this and that, but if that turns out to be the case then it wouldn't be the first time. SP has a massive pile of patents they don't enforce. That's just as important a fact of history than anything else.

[aqua_scummm]

Sometimes, I walk down the street and I just slap the first few people I see.


But that's okay, because there's LOTS of people I see walking down the street that I don't slap. So the ones I do slap are justified.

[RogueFactor]

of course not! It's not conjecture if it already happened. But the way you spoke it, it sounds like smart parts threatens to serve companies for each and every of their 32 issued patents, of course not the case either...

I didnt even know they had 32 patents. Ive never counted. Where did I make it sound like that?

We're not talking about the electro patent here, we're talking about a smallfry accessory design.

Something that most markers today use isnt small fry. Quite the opposite, its big fry. And no different in scope than [nearly]every marker sold these days that are using an electro switch.

I'm not saying anything about what they plan to do with this and that, but if that turns out to be the case then it wouldn't be the first time. SP has a massive pile of patents they don't enforce. That's just as important a fact of history than anything else.

It wouldnt be the first time? LOL! So you are saying it isnt conjecture? You mean history has a way of repeating itself? :spit_take :rofl:

[Ydna]

You've completely misunderstood me...I meant it wouldn't be the first time they were issued a patent they didn't use. The only patents they receive royalities upon is the one old pVI Shocker electro patent (there's a continuation of it which is also used, but not cited). All the rest of them, ALL, just sit there. And interestingly, nearly half of them are for products they never even released....perfect example of spending considerable money, not defending it, and not receiving any return for it at all.

I never said I agreed with what they do with the electro rights. Hell, it cuts into my pofit directly (not that I really care, but it's a separate issue). I'm just trying to point out that just because SP owns yet another patent doesn't mean they're going to "sue" everybody over it...which seems to be the implimentation you're pushing. As far as I'm concerned their past reputation shows they won't do anything with it, not the countrary.

[RogueFactor]

You've completely misunderstood me...I meant it wouldn't be the first time they were issued a patent they didn't use. The only patents they receive royalities upon is the one old pVI Shocker electro patent (there's a continuation of it which is also used, but not cited). All the rest of them, ALL, just sit there. And interestingly, nearly half of them are for products they never even released....perfect example of spending considerable money, not defending it, and not receiving any return for it at all.

I never said I agreed with what they do with the electro rights. Hell, it cuts into my pofit directly (not that I really care, but it's a separate issue). I'm just trying to point out that just because SP owns yet another patent doesn't mean they're going to "sue" everybody over it...which seems to be the implimentation you're pushing. As far as I'm concerned their past reputation shows they won't do anything with it, not the countrary.

Let's hope this is the case. History doesnt show it to be so.

I havent familiarized myself with their other patents, but Id venture a guess that they are specific to SP products and not broad enough to ask for licenses from other companies. Its also my understanding that SP hasnt changed their tactics, rather they require a Non-Disclosure agreements so that their tactics arent publicly scrutinized.

While you may believe their reputation shows they wont do anything, there are just too many folks out there that have been on the receiving end of it that would disagree with you.

[paint magnet]

You've completely misunderstood me...I meant it wouldn't be the first time they were issued a patent they didn't use. The only patents they receive royalities upon is the one old pVI Shocker electro patent (there's a continuation of it which is also used, but not cited). All the rest of them, ALL, just sit there. And interestingly, nearly half of them are for products they never even released....perfect example of spending considerable money, not defending it, and not receiving any return for it at all.

I never said I agreed with what they do with the electro rights. Hell, it cuts into my pofit directly (not that I really care, but it's a separate issue). I'm just trying to point out that just because SP owns yet another patent doesn't mean they're going to "sue" everybody over it...which seems to be the implimentation you're pushing. As far as I'm concerned their past reputation shows they won't do anything with it, not the countrary.

So we should not be concerned about them filing a patent for someone else's invention because you don't believe they intend to use it? And the fact that they stole the original patent from PVI is somehow supposed to be reassuring?


I guess you think we should let North Korea have nukes as long as they say they don't intend to use them?

[robnix]

You've completely misunderstood me...I meant it wouldn't be the first time they were issued a patent they didn't use. The only patents they receive royalities upon is the one old pVI Shocker electro patent (there's a continuation of it which is also used, but not cited). All the rest of them, ALL, just sit there. And interestingly, nearly half of them are for products they never even released....perfect example of spending considerable money, not defending it, and not receiving any return for it at all.

I never said I agreed with what they do with the electro rights. Hell, it cuts into my pofit directly (not that I really care, but it's a separate issue). I'm just trying to point out that just because SP owns yet another patent doesn't mean they're going to "sue" everybody over it...which seems to be the implimentation you're pushing. As far as I'm concerned their past reputation shows they won't do anything with it, not the countrary.

The rest don't just sit there, they use some of them to keep other people from entering the market with a competing product. I don't think you'll see SP try to get money from this patent because it's not a deal breaker part like electros, but you'll certainly see them use it to keep competition out.

[Ydna]

If so then it would be the first time. That's the point I'm trying to make but everybody seems to be ignoring it. There are exactly zero companies that pay them a royality for a non-electro SP patent. Is anybody really trying to say the fact that they've never done this in the past....somehow is evidence that they will suddently start now? That's nonsensical...those two statements are, by definition, the exact opposite.

That's the point I'm trying to make> If you produce an electro marker or top line board upgrade, then yes SP will come after you. If that's the case then you will certainly have to deal with them. There's many people out there that have dealt with it in the past, nobody is disputing that. Like I just pointed out, I'm one of them. And again, I don't endorce it nor enjoy it, I bear the blunt personally, money out of my pocket and all of that crying...although it's not the point of this thread.

On the other hand, if the past is to be used as an example, so long as you're not delving into the world of electronics you will likely be fine. Of course you're never totally protected from that type of thing, but if smart parts came after you then it would be the FIRST time that has ever happened. If you'd like to be afraid of this happenning for the first time then that's of course your option. But if it were me then I wouldn't. And let me reiterate this for again...I've already dealt with this. I'm not outside of the situation here.