AGD in the future.

[punkncat]

This is not a doom and gloom thread. I am not trying to emulate a bunch of other threads in which we sit and discuss how it is all going down the drain, or how changing this that or the other about the product line would magically re-invigorate the company.

I am sure that at this point there is enough "cottage" intrest in the company to keep it afloat for a good while. With low overhead and whatnot, I would like to think so.

Let us imagine that some person or entity came up with the asking price and purchased AGD.

With the current lineup of markers, and even if the bullet was bitten and the company did what it took to re-release the E and X mag lineup. Stock levels, storefront/webpage revamped. Huge cash infusion with the inclusion of sponsorship of both (scenario and "x ball") type teams, great marketing campaign, advertizing in all the hot magazines as well as web sites, re-introduction of parts and products to suppliers and stores. Full and continued support to all dealers, as well as some possible connection with current aftermarket parts suppliers who build to AGD spec.

What level do you think AGD could or would return to? Would it be an investment that would give a return?

Not that I have the money of course, just thinking out loud.

[punkncat]

As an after thought and not wishing to edit the first post.

Consider for a moment what happened and really is happening with WGP when they tried to reinvent the name brand after the buy out.

Now it is not to say that with the renewed success of the company (if that were the case) that R & D should stop alltogether. But that aspect of the continued success or operation is really not what I am looking for consideration or opinion on.

[Ruler_Mark]

R&D is most of the investment in a project. It is do-able. An it can be done profitably. However the amount of money that would be required todo so is too large to warrent such a come-back because of the state of the economy.

[Chronobreak]

As an after thought and not wishing to edit the first post.

Consider for a moment what happened and really is happening with WGP when they tried to reinvent the name brand after the buy out.

Now it is not to say that with the renewed success of the company (if that were the case) that R & D should stop alltogether. But that aspect of the continued success or operation is really not what I am looking for consideration or opinion on.

wgp is a bad example, though it is an example nonetheless.

the guys that took over wgp just decided to put the wgp name on spyder type markers and ion type markers as opposed tos ticking with the cocker platform.

i would venture to say that agd would have to stick with the valve platform basicly leaving little to change with the marker as a whole.

one complaint ive always had is not the lack of aftermarket parts but the inability to find a place that has a regular stock of both stock and aftermarket parts.

ordering a frame from dealer A, a body from dealer B, and a basic mag from Store C just really isnt very efficent.

i think the mag community would go nuts over the infusion but everyone else would go on doing what they were, the e-mags are way out of date as far as tech goes, and i wont go into what could be done to revamp the mag since we have alot of those threads already.

one thing im sure agd could do is take a larger leap into the rec/scenario guys perhaps going to events to show off gear/reliability test etc etc which might lead to a larger following...or not.

i finaly got my pneumag and a hypermag, and am happy with both of them and cant see anything else that i desire in either one at this point.

[viper-mayhem]

This is an idea I've had. If AGD were to partner up with some of the people that make the bodies for Airsoft guns and combine the valve/bolt to go into some kind of scenario marker, that would really make a big hit in the woodsball type player. So many people are using different airsoft rifles and customizing them for paintball internals. If AGD did it, they wouldn't have to do to much as far as RND work other than prefabs for the internals. Just a thought.

[Ninjeff]

as much as i like the idea....i think, in this scenario, AGD dies without TK. PLain and simple. The whole company was built on his ingenuity, solid product, and his dedication to pushing both players, and the sport. TK and AGD are one and the same. Personally, i dont think AGD would even dent the current market unless they came out with something that revolutionizes the sport, or at least some aspect of it.

Besides, what is AGD without TK anyway?

[-Z3R0-]

Besides, what is AGD without TK anyway?

A business run out of a garage?

[Sundown]

IMO, it would be hard and pricy for AGD to really have a good market in woodsball.
I play woodsball and scenario ball and when I go to the field and play with my AGD Tac-One, people are like : What is that? A speedball gun?
When I say it's an Automag, they don't even know what an automag is.

Right now, the ''best'' woodsball marker in the eyes of woodsball players seem to be the BT TM7. It's just that woodsball player don't know about the automags. BT has so much marketing on the TM7 that everybody is selling their gear to get one

This is only to say that alot of woodsball player don't even know about automags.
Big companies (Tippmann and BT) have the market in woodball because they can spend alot in marketing on ther markers.

So I don't know how it could work out

[lather]

I will probably get flamed for this but I think the E and X mags would not sell if re-released without some major design changes. (see the Mini)

IMO mech mags are innovative and the epitomy of mech gun engineering, but electro mags in comparison seem a knee jerk and somewhat slapped together design response by AGD in order to appease players clamoring for more rof when electros came on the scene.

[Hilltop Customs]

I agree. Sales might be good with people who love AGD, but outside of us what kid playing paintball will buy an emag instead of some other cheap electro.

I wouldnt call the emag slapped together though, they took an awesome platform and added what people wanted, the ability to reach higher ROF. Hell they even included they ability to use the mechanical design if something happens to the electronics.

[Beemer]

Hell they even included the ability to use the mechanical design if something happens to the electronics.

And still today the ONLY PaintBall gun I know of to be able to do this.

[tech-chan]

I call for a challenge.

If you are able to do so, or have the design equipment, I challenge you to design AGD's next gun.
The marker that would take them out of being old school, to the newest and best of the rugged beat-me-up guns. There is only one rule. You must use an xvalve. Other than that, everything is free play.

I will be posting up my creation soon, and hope to see you all do the same.

[Hilltop Customs]

And still today the ONLY PaintBall gun I know of to be able to do this.

Do you think this feature would still be so important if the difference between the mechanical trigger pull and the electronic pull was negligible?(meaning they both require about the same force) This really means the only difference between the two is that electronic guns can ramp, and mechanical cant.

The design I'm currently working on could EASILY accomplish this same feature, but is it really worth it if only adds ramping to the marker?

tech-chan that sounds like fun, might have to draw something up....

[custar]

IMO, it would be hard and pricy for AGD to really have a good market in woodsball.
I play woodsball and scenario ball and when I go to the field and play with my AGD Tac-One, people are like : What is that? A speedball gun?
When I say it's an Automag, they don't even know what an automag is.

I disagree with this. I have argued for quite a long time AGD could be successful in the scenario market. In my area, quite a few woosballers not only know what an Automag is, they use them. I recently converted an inveterate autococker user into a Micromag user. There is a market for quality, dependable scenario markers in the right trappings. Start with replicas of M4's and AK47's and go from there. AGD should move into the WW II era next with a Garrand, Thompson, Mauser, and Enfield. The Automag valve is so versatile, it can be put into a replica of just about any firearm. The drawback would be the cost. AGD needs to be able to hit a price point of below $300.00, and unless the valve is redesigned to save production costs, that is unlikely to happen.

custar

[bjyourk]

I agree with CUSTAR about the price point. The guys I play woodsball with really like the TAC-1, but price is definitely an issue. Apparently, you can trick out an A-5 pretty well for the price of a TAC....nevermind the difference in performance. Getting one is spoken of in the same terms as winning the lottery......"What I wouldn't give...", or similar.