AGD in the future.

[Hilltop Customs]

That would probably eat 9vs like candy, if it ran off a 9v you would need it to have a much smaller solenoid, and thus it can't operate like the old one. Then again i could be wrong, but i would think if you had a capacitor that could hold enough charge to fire the marker it would eat batteries like crazy.

ult with standard sized rt on/off "head".....would give a ULT trigger pull weight, with the same strong RT effect. This would be a no-go on standard markers because it would be basically full auto because of the huge rt effect compared to the relative light pull.......but when used on an e-mag it would allow for a much smaller noid, smaller cap, smaller battery. I'd imagine AGD considered this, but then the whole electronic gun fiasco happened.

[snoopay700]

ult with standard sized rt on/off "head".....would give a ULT trigger pull weight, with the same strong RT effect. This would be a no-go on standard markers because it would be basically full auto because of the huge rt effect compared to the relative light pull.......but when used on an e-mag it would allow for a much smaller noid, smaller cap, smaller battery. I'd imagine AGD considered this, but then the whole electronic gun fiasco happened.

*whap!* Ugh, i completely forgot about the ULT, that would definitely make it possible. I had a sneaking suspicion i was wrong but i couldn't place my finger on why exactly, thanks for pointing that out to me.

However, now i want to get an emag and try to make it run off a 9v

Edit: Also, that ego that went 40 bps, that was actually 40 cps i would think since he had to turn the eyes off. Not saying they weren't full cycles, i just doubt that paint was coming out that fast because last i checked electronic hoppers had trouble keeping up unless given a bigger battery. Hey, i could be wrong though, wouldn't be the first time.

[magman007]

I call for a challenge.

If you are able to do so, or have the design equipment, I challenge you to design AGD's next gun.
The marker that would take them out of being old school, to the newest and best of the rugged beat-me-up guns. There is only one rule. You must use an xvalve. Other than that, everything is free play.

I will be posting up my creation soon, and hope to see you all do the same.

you know, I have not posted here for quite some time, nor played paintball for even longer, but this really caught my eye.

In reality, it shouldn't be all that hard. Look what sp did with what ever their new upper class marker marketed under a different company name.

Seriously, you take the x valve, and do with it what everyone else basically did. take the valve and turn it into the body. put it in a pretty body, market it under a different name, and give it a good name. slap a high price tag on it, then release an even more expensive version that isnt that much better, throw it in the hands of a good team, that everyone idolizes.

done.

Better yet, put it into a team that actually has potential, put em in d1 and be done.

[Hilltop Customs]

or we could run around with a big powerful electromagnet and fry everyone's boards

[snoopay700]

or we could run around with a big powerful electromagnet and fry everyone's boards

Ohh, how about a mech mag that can emit an EMP and make all the electronic guns useless, that way you can run around and pop em as you like, unless you have an emag.

And there are those that say it's mech function is useless.

[68magOwner]

Edit: Also, that ego that went 40 bps, that was actually 40 cps i would think since he had to turn the eyes off. Not saying they weren't full cycles, i just doubt that paint was coming out that fast because last i checked electronic hoppers had trouble keeping up unless given a bigger battery. Hey, i could be wrong though, wouldn't be the first time.

Theres paint comming out, I assure you. You are however right about the loaders struggling to keep up without loarger batteries. Hence the huge battery pack strapped on his "super halo" in order to feed it for that vid. Im pretty sure he turned the eyes ON, not off at the beginning of the vid. Regardless, you would be able to hear dryfires if there were any.

[snoopay700]

Theres paint comming out, I assure you. You are however right about the loaders struggling to keep up without loarger batteries. Hence the huge battery pack strapped on his "super halo" in order to feed it for that vid. Im pretty sure he turned the eyes ON, not off at the beginning of the vid. Regardless, you would be able to hear dryfires if there were any.

Ok, it sounded like the guy said to turn them off, and i guess i missed the huge battery pack.

[PhoenixWolf]

The E-Mag's battery pack could be shrunk significantly if it was designed to work with a ULT instead of a full-strength on/off. The reason it has to be so big is it has to produce enough current to power that chunky solenoid, which in turn has to be so powerful because the gun has a full-pressure on/off. A ULT and an EP trigger could certainly reduce the amount of juice required to fire the gun.

[RavishingEddie]

I call for a challenge.

If you are able to do so, or have the design equipment, I challenge you to design AGD's next gun.
The marker that would take them out of being old school, to the newest and best of the rugged beat-me-up guns. There is only one rule. You must use an xvalve. Other than that, everything is free play.

I will be posting up my creation soon, and hope to see you all do the same.

Tech Chan, I am almost done with my project. It incorporates several innovations that I feel will put AGD on the speedball and scenario market.

[snoopay700]

The E-Mag's battery pack could be shrunk significantly if it was designed to work with a ULT instead of a full-strength on/off. The reason it has to be so big is it has to produce enough current to power that chunky solenoid, which in turn has to be so powerful because the gun has a full-pressure on/off. A ULT and an EP trigger could certainly reduce the amount of juice required to fire the gun.

Yeah, but we wouldn't even need to make it ep, we could have it the same as it is now and run off a 9v.

[GoatBoy]

But can you beat an invert mini against a tree several times and play with no adverse affects?

Methinks you should just concentrate on shooting your opponents during games. I mean, I know it's called "woodsball", but that's taking it a bit far...

Sure you can buy aftermarket parts for your mags, keep them up and running fine. But at the same time, if you own a shocker, dm, ego, ect, you can walk up the vendor at any national event and have that marker repaired on the spot for free. Its a pretty nice thing to be able to do. I had a new noid and all new orings put in my dm6 last event just for kicks without DYE ever complaining or asking for money.

Wait a second. Who do you think actually paid for those solenoids and o-rings?

And uhm... the fact that you replaced them "just for kicks" tends to beg the question. Why exactly would you replace them if they were working just fine...

Because its just not. I own a mag, I have owned several mags. They are outstanding markers. But, no more reliable than any other marker I have owned and properly maintained. As far as being able to flip into mechanical mode, thats fun, but, super practical? Not really. Beyond that, I cant remember any time ever where the electronic components of any of my markers kept me from being able to use it.

"...than any other marker I have owned and properly maintained."

Yes. Nearly every marker that is fixed and maintained will work. Well duh. That's like saying "60 percent of the time it works every time." Especially if it's the Dye guys building the cost of happily swapping out your parts at an event "for free" into the price of your marker in the first place.

A more interesting point is how complicated said maintenance is. Care and feeding of mags is usually way easier than most other markers. They are just simpler in design and minimize the wear parts as well as touchy lubrication requirements. That is, if you're maintaining them yourself. If all you ever do is go to an event or store and have someone fix your gun up for you, then you'd be hard pressed to know how different maintaining one gun is from another, and how many more parts there are to fail on one vs. another.

If you really think the HES trigger system is a more problem free system than a standard microswitch, you have another thing comming. It just isnt. Plain and simple.

Wait... how would you know? You've apparently never had a problem with either...

so, mags are no longer untouchable, and these markers dont need a scuba tank to shoot that fast......

Has it actually been confirmed that those markers weren't experiencing shootdown?

To say that the mag is not the end all be all of modern paintball markers is not to diminish what it is. Its just to point out that realistically, automags are not as light, efficient or practical to use at a national level of competition as other markers that are readily available now a days.

So... how much less efficient is an automag vs. other markers? I haven't seen much good data regarding this.


I have to agree with you on the battery issue, though. We've got Spyder's and Piranha's running of 9v!