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  • BiNumber3
    Dazed and Confused

    • Feb 2008
    • 1038

    #16
    should the back unscrew completely without u noticin some how, u have a large chunk of steel flying back with 600 or so psi of pressure propelling it.
    A friend somehow had that happen with a classic back, luckily didnt hit anythin, but he did lose his on/off

    Also, that back isnt a milled down classic valve back, I'm thinkin its one of the air america reg bottoms, has the same threading n everything.

    Tho as far as usin it, i wouldnt, cuz it looks funny:P

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    • Dirge
      BIGEVILONLINE

      • May 2004
      • 500

      #17
      Never herd of them blowing off a raptor or a raptor rex and those are rated up to 4500 psi.
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      • ManInBlack
        Can't leave them stock.
        • May 2007
        • 449

        #18
        Originally posted by mostpeople
        To explain how its unsafe, the valve assembly is rated to 3000 psi, intact. It appears that someone has milled down the regulator part of the valve to.. well who knows what rating now?
        This isn't a milled down classic valve, it's part of a raptor reg which is rated for 3000 psi.

        As for it backing out, I think I'll drill and tap the rail for a set screw to help hold it in place. That should take care of it.

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        • michbich
          machinist-biochemist
          • Jul 2007
          • 849

          #19
          There is a reason why a zpin is intalled in the back halves.

          I'm sure no one looks at their valve during a game to make sure it's still properly screwed in. Accidents happen when we are not looking. I'm not saying it shouldn't be done, just to approach with caution.

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          • mostpeople
            Registered User
            • Mar 2007
            • 1680

            #20
            Originally posted by ManInBlack
            This isn't a milled down classic valve, it's part of a raptor reg which is rated for 3000 psi.

            As for it backing out, I think I'll drill and tap the rail for a set screw to help hold it in place. That should take care of it.

            How do you know its a raptor reg? I didn't see any markings so how could anyone know? What makes this a raptor reg?

            If it is, so be it. Hopefully its rated as they say it is so I wouldn't worry about it, well except for the z-pin of course.

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            • questionful
              LNIB
              • Dec 2006
              • 1416

              #21
              Tank regs don't have Z-locks. The Z-lock isn't necessary. The only scenario in which it would be useful is if some idiot decided to take his gun apart while it is aired up. Have you ever seen someone do that? How many other guns have safety features addressing that scenario?

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              • ManInBlack
                Can't leave them stock.
                • May 2007
                • 449

                #22
                Originally posted by mostpeople
                How do you know its a raptor reg? I didn't see any markings so how could anyone know? What makes this a raptor reg?

                If it is, so be it. Hopefully its rated as they say it is so I wouldn't worry about it, well except for the z-pin of course.
                Because I took the piece off of a raptor reg I had sitting around. Like I said in the first post. I know I'm not the first person to do this.

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                • GoatBoy
                  Junior Mint
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 1399

                  #23
                  ManInBlack: It would probably look more normal if you used a regular reg nut instead of that big adjuster.


                  Originally posted by mostpeople
                  Looks what we call unsafe...

                  I would NOT air that up..



                  Hi, I'm a Raptor Rex regulator.

                  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the back side of me, the tapered part, shouldn't see full input pressure on a properly functioning setup.

                  If it does, it should vent out the back/side safety mechanisms.

                  If you try to disassemble an aired up automag, your air line will most likely stop the assembly from flying out. Even if that's not there, the on/off pin will be sticking out and catch on the frame. (And this is a classic mag, so it's a full sized on/off pin, not a ULT pin).

                  Also, if someone unscrews the back, shouldn't the o-ring seal break first and vent before you manage to fully remove it?

                  Welcome to 1995! (Actually, I'm not sure how old the Raptor systems are; I know they go back at least to 1995).
                  "Accuracy by aiming."


                  Definitely not on the A-Team.

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                  • Rudz
                    Registered User

                    • Apr 2005
                    • 5087

                    #24
                    it makes the valve lighter, been done for quiet some time, just remember to use loctite..
                    BEO MAFIA
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                    • ManInBlack
                      Can't leave them stock.
                      • May 2007
                      • 449

                      #25
                      It would look more normal, but then I wouldn't be able to adjust it without an allen wrench.

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                      • Chronobreak
                        Rec Poster
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 5055

                        #26
                        Originally posted by rudz
                        it makes the valve lighter, been done for quiet some time, just remember to use loctite..
                        agreed just use some blue and keep an eye on it and your fine

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                        • cyclic
                          Registered User
                          • Dec 2007
                          • 29

                          #27
                          Since you actually have one, what is the diameter of the narrowed down section on that reg? I was thinking about having the exposed part of mine cut down to that size in the area exposed above the rail, or using a ball mill to flute it to that depth.

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                          • Beemer
                            I could tell you but then.

                            • Oct 2003
                            • 3250

                            #28
                            Originally posted by questionful
                            The only scenario in which it would be useful is if some idiot decided to take his gun apart while it is aired up. Have you ever seen someone do that? How many other guns have safety features addressing that scenario?
                            Well this IS paintball and we all arent idiots but I will admit there is a lot of stupid stuff going on. How many other guns say or are stamped, RATED to three thousand PSI let alone forty five hundred PSI? Or have had third party testing done??? AGD is the only one I know of that has stated such and made testing public. I will find the link if you need it.

                            Originally posted by GoatBoy
                            Hi, I'm a Raptor Rex regulator.
                            Priceless..... You rock Boy

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                            • ManInBlack
                              Can't leave them stock.
                              • May 2007
                              • 449

                              #29
                              Originally posted by cyclic
                              Since you actually have one, what is the diameter of the narrowed down section on that reg? I was thinking about having the exposed part of mine cut down to that size in the area exposed above the rail, or using a ball mill to flute it to that depth.
                              Looks to be .75"

                              I would not recommend cutting a valve down though. It's cheap enough to buy one of these through the ebay auction I posted earlier that you shouldn't try to risk damaging your valve.

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                              • snoopay700
                                Serious About Men

                                • Jan 2006
                                • 3071

                                #30
                                man, you are all wayyyyyy too worried about this, listen to Goatboy, and also are you all forgetting SFLs? Those have the z-pin but no z-groove. It's more so that people don't disassemble their marker when it's pressurized, or to prevent the outcome. The only time my classic valve has spun was when i wanted the "68 automag classic" lined up so it looked all nice, and so it wasn't screwed all the way.
                                Il n'y a point de sots si incommodes que ceux qui ont de l'esprit.

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