what do you want in a marker????

[Empyreal Rogue]

Empyreal Rogue: Is there absolutely anything on the borg that your even partially uncomfortable with? any improvements anywhere?

Seems tall. Even for a stacked tube design. If the Cyborg could be a single tube marker... Hm, actually if it were it would probably be very long.

The point I was trying to make, is that for me all I want is something efficient and capable. By capable I mean something can be fast when I want it to be, or not fast when I don't want it to be.

[snoopay700]

Yeah, i was thinking of a blow-off valve, dunno where i'd put it though. And also, the worst part about it is i don't really have a girl but i do, one of those sitiations (yes it's spelled wrong for you grammar nazis) and i'm also not entirely sure i want to be in it. That and also wanting to drive and not being able to is getting to me.

[211]

Durability-I play hard, my gun needs to be able to also
reliability-when I pull the trigger it needs to shoot, every time
simplicity-If I have a problem it needs to be easy to analyse and fix, and not require proprietary parts

I love the mech/electro firing modes on the Emag

[ManInBlack]

Durability-I play hard, my gun needs to be able to also
reliability-when I pull the trigger it needs to shoot, every time
simplicity-If I have a problem it needs to be easy to analyse and fix, and not require proprietary parts

I love the mech/electro firing modes on the Emag

Good thought there. I'd like to be able to fix it with easy to come by parts. Like, as many o-rings in it as possible should be the same size and interchangeable.

[Wicked_Silence]

Wicked_Silence: Your not late, I like how you think of sizing.....what about grips like the wrap around grips, but have them in different sizes? Might have to be a variant and not completely wrap around or something(patents ) I agree with you about durability, Ive dove into trees plenty of times(couple night games, long stories :rofl: ) and I would be pissed to have come out with a broken marker, I'm not going to be cutting crash frames thin just to save a few grams....not that theres anything wrong with that, but removing material can only go so far before you start seeing failures

Thanks, and if ya patent the idea. I'll only want 2% kickback instead of the usual 5%. Actually, when I mentioned sizing, I meant building frames themselves to fit into someones hand. With minor modifications, most trigger frames could be build smaller in both depth and maybe a little in thickness. I've seen people pick up some markers (can't remember what they were offhand) and while 1 guy in a group could fully wrap his hand around the grip frame, the smallest guy in the group could barely wrap his fingers around enough to just hold the gun. Also, this could work for females (smaller hands overall) and youngsters (their hands are almost always small). Ya see what I'm getting at now?

[Sundown]

Another thing that might be very interesting is variety. I mean a marker with options... you want electro or mech.. you want 90 degree frame.. or 45 or Hybrid.
Having a marker that we can customize to our own style when buying it.
But for a one man show.. this might be hard to do haha
And very expensive if you make different models for different people.

Hilltop: I looked at your project in the workshop and it looks real good. Keep up the work and you will get costumers

[Hilltop Customs]

Empyreal Rogue: I get what your saying now, you want the capabilities of the borg in a marker...how would you say an emag stacks up against a borg in your requirements? efficiency is better and the borg gets more shots per tank correct? Does that weigh heavily on your opinion of a marker similar to the emag and a borg?

snoopay700: The way I take the whole long distance relationship is this: if you miss them then you should probably try to stay with them.....and if you dont, well then you have a choice to make. I'm in the same situation, and its weird I dont really miss her.....well I miss the girl, dont miss the drama she starts. As for the whole blow off valve, what about just designing in a non-catastrophic failure point to allow you to continue on? this would let you prototype and test the design without worry.....if over pressurization occurs, you just need to replace the part the weak point is designed in. Just an idea to consider, I'd rather have a cheap replaceable burst disk, but if you cant fit it. You could always machine a path from the high pressure area to an area you can mount the burst disk, but with this you have to remember the burst disk will lag, so you have to be careful.

211 and ManInBlack: all great points. Keeping number and types of parts help for costs too, and one of my main goals is keeping the cost as low as possible. Unfortunately, with most of the things I have designed so far, nothing is off the shelf. I wish the mech/electro was an option, but for now I'm trying to stay away from electros. I agree though, mech/electro would be my first choice except for the massive cost increase caused by you know who.

Wicked_Silence: Thats the same thing I was getting at too I would have to take some statistics on how large of grips people prefer would require a bunch of prototypes for people to try out and make a choice aboutt(this is important because if you make the grip frame size too small, you have to use more rubber to compensate for bigger hands, which creates more cost), but something like that is definitely considerable. Oh btw, I dont think I'm going to patent anything in the paintball market, got some other ideas that

Sundown: About the order/customization....I have big plans a designed to order product is more expensive to produce, but if everything is done in house, the added cost drops dramatically.....dont get me wrong a designed to order product will be more expensive, but it would still be significantly under the cost of top of the line markers today(in an ideal situation about half but that would only be in high production everything done in house other than small screws...maybe even them too).

Glad you like what you saw, that one would have worked, but it was wasting too much air for my tastes, and too many o-rings(about on par with most markers today) This new one I'm not working on(school projects waste too much time) is different than any marker out there today, and I'm really looking forward to see how it works if I ever have time to finish it(should be complete before graduation in December)


What I really love about this thread, it fosters creative ideas....keep them coming!!!

Its funny, I'm supposedly consulting on a product for this graduating project, but I consider this more of consulting that anything Ive done in that stupid project. Here I'm interacting, judging demands, formulating ideas.....there I am given a design to slightly improve an un-marketable product to make the professors happy for a grade. Oh well, back to the bullish....I have to write a chemistry lab wtf am I in chemisty for? I am becoming an industrial engineer(dont say "what if you work in a chemical plant?" unless you want slapped with a trout, this is basic chemistry that I took in 11th grade, repeated)

/ college is a waste of money rant

8 weeks till I meet the real world, I hope their ready

[snoopay700]

Yeah, lots of drama starts from her, she gets mad easy, it's pretty bad, and i've known her like 3 weeks.

[Sundown]

8 weeks till I meet the real world, I hope their ready

So you are graduating really soon. Congrast
You probably mentioned this like 20 times, but I just caught it haha
Yeah, graduation is always a fun time.

And after you will have all the time you want for you project.

And I'm really looking forward to see what you will have in store .

But, as for customazing makers.. its really a nice thing. But in my mind it will take more time as you are not repeating the same thing over and over.
But, you probably know much more than me on this. So if it's worth it.. well that is excellent for us haha

Keep us posted.

[Hilltop Customs]

Yeah, lots of drama starts from her, she gets mad easy, it's pretty bad, and i've known her like 3 weeks.

lol dude who cares then, unless youve fallen for her head over heals(I know what this is like too, cant see anything but her). Ive been living with my girl 4 years...its hard to think of not living with her after that long. Trust me though, if she gets mad easy now, its not worth it. I swear some girls stay in that demanding little girl mode and never become women....I want someone I can let my guard down around, tell anything to and not have to worry about them becoming pissed about little things. If they dont at least do that, then I'm not going to be happy, and thats just not going to work for me.

good luck, just remember the demanding little girls will come right back when they dont get what they want and pretend its ok for a week then EXPLODE with anger about that old situation after its already in the past. Some people just hang on to drama, dont ask me why.

[Hilltop Customs]

So you are graduating really soon. Congrast
You probably mentioned this like 20 times, but I just caught it haha
Yeah, graduation is always a fun time.

And after you will have all the time you want for you project.

And I'm really looking forward to see what you will have in store .

But, as for customazing makers.. its really a nice thing. But in my mind it will take more time as you are not repeating the same thing over and over.
But, you probably know much more than me on this. So if it's worth it.. well that is excellent for us haha

Keep us posted.

commonality among machine setups different parts using the same mounting mechanism....just need a change of code and the correct blank for the job, no added time whatsoever other than choosing the correct code. Also part holders which hold a few parts for a single processing will cut down that time even more.

thanks for the congrats, its been a long and painful wait, but now that I can see the light, its time to get to work, just wish I didnt have school in the way at this point.

[Spider-TW]

I would like a mil-spec electronic marker. You did say want right?

If you can't build it like a satellite, then maybe like a car (a good one anyway ). I want friction and pressure and temperature compensation real time on my regulator.

Other than battery power, there's plenty of common technology for potting and protecting electronics. I wish bluetooth was easy enough to put in the board as well.

The wiring could be hard bussed type, instead of these dinky little wires.

Pot all the low heat parts. Put as much work in the electronic design as TK put into the mag valve and you would at least have the guts of a real electronic marker. It would be one of the modules of the modular design. Like a T-board built like a brick with sensors. A 'trick brick'.

I don't really feel the need for a new mechanical marker. I have a golf bag of mags and if I'm playing with an electro that barfs on me, I'll go dig something else out. I don't want a back up mode, I want higher reliability in an electronic marker. With a good base, I will drill, clamp and ano any parts I have to add, but an industrial grade electronic marker is something I don't have.

[Hilltop Customs]

I would like a mil-spec electronic marker. You did say want right?

If you can't build it like a satellite, then maybe like a car (a good one anyway ). I want friction and pressure and temperature compensation real time on my regulator.

Other than battery power, there's plenty of common technology for potting and protecting electronics. I wish bluetooth was easy enough to put in the board as well.

The wiring could be hard bussed type, instead of these dinky little wires.

Pot all the low heat parts. Put as much work in the electronic design as TK put into the mag valve and you would at least have the guts of a real electronic marker. It would be one of the modules of the modular design. Like a T-board built like a brick with sensors. A 'trick brick'.

I don't really feel the need for a new mechanical marker. I have a golf bag of mags and if I'm playing with an electro that barfs on me, I'll go dig something else out. I don't want a back up mode, I want higher reliability in an electronic marker. With a good base, I will drill, clamp and ano any parts I have to add, but an industrial grade electronic marker is something I don't have.

hehehe, if I had the ability to program electronics(working on getting a guy to help me out with the feasibility of some of my ideas in that area) I would build a marker with an electronic controlled dwell that self adjusts to account for extreme ROF.....also the marker would have a built in chrono so each shot is chronod and the dwell is compensated to adjust to the set velocity if the average of the past X# of shots is low or high. its not that complex, surprised no one has done it yet....an LED, a sensor, some wiring, and a control board on just about any electronic gun. Does a forum post count as prior art? TK said this a long time ago, so hopefully smart parts doesnt try to take credit for it.

yea I did say "what do you want?"......if you dont mind me asking, how realistic? I go for simplicity, exterior features add complexity, but I agree mill-sim look would gain a lot of people's interests/attention, its one of the many exterior designs I'm thinking of. I like how mill-sim often involves mounting rails, expands possibilities of accessories.


your last line signifies why, if everything goes well with prototyping, I'll be almost hesitant in making a major investment into production. Its risky, because a mechanical marker may just get ignored for being mechanical.

sorry for the 4 edits....its an evolving post lol

[snoopay700]

lol dude who cares then, unless youve fallen for her head over heals(I know what this is like too, cant see anything but her). Ive been living with my girl 4 years...its hard to think of not living with her after that long. Trust me though, if she gets mad easy now, its not worth it. I swear some girls stay in that demanding little girl mode and never become women....I want someone I can let my guard down around, tell anything to and not have to worry about them becoming pissed about little things. If they dont at least do that, then I'm not going to be happy, and thats just not going to work for me.

good luck, just remember the demanding little girls will come right back when they dont get what they want and pretend its ok for a week then EXPLODE with anger about that old situation after its already in the past. Some people just hang on to drama, dont ask me why.

Yeah, well to tell you the truth i have no clue how it started, and she's fun and all but she's pretty insane. I swear i have some sort of magnet in my pocket, i always attract the ones that are insane. I'm now remembering why i didn't have a girlfriend when i had a car, they're much easier to deal with, and plus when you but them stuff you're actually glad you bought it.

[Hilltop Customs]

Yeah, well to tell you the truth i have no clue how it started, and she's fun and all but she's pretty insane. I swear i have some sort of magnet in my pocket, i always attract the ones that are insane. I'm now remembering why i didn't have a girlfriend when i had a car, they're much easier to deal with, and plus when you but them stuff you're actually glad you bought it.

hehe your mentioning of a car reminds me of a Chris Rock comedy routine....girls always move up the food chain, at first they are happy just to have a boyfriend, then they meet a guy with a car. No more waiting around for rides or waiting in the cold for the bus.....they will never date a guy without a car again. Then they meet a guy with an apartment. No more hanging around the parents and having to be careful about "stuff"...they will never date a guy living at home again. Oh god, I forgot the punchline lol.

Yea, your glad you bought it for a night or two but then they want more stuff and they have a headache haha