"NEWS" Nelson Paint to continue producing oil based paints!

[MoeMag]

Give me an hour to throw a video up and I'll show you what Nelson can do to a field.

I played a big senario game where the F.P.O. was nelson... yeah. It made a mess.

IDK. im sorry. enviromental impact of veggie oil?

seriously... Manbearpig has a paintball gun now huh?

[Chronobreak]

anyone who thinks this is an over reaction has not been to

A a field that allows this type of paint

B a field that goesthru any decent volume of paint.

it really does turn into a marshmellow like substance and does not degrade

infact anyone who does not believe me provide me an address and IL SHIP YOU SOME from over 4 months ago!

[C_losjoker]

anyone who thinks this is an over reaction has not been to

A a field that allows this type of paint

B a field that goesthru any decent volume of paint.

it really does turn into a marshmellow like substance and does not degrade

infact anyone who does not believe me provide me an address and IL SHIP YOU SOME from over 4 months ago!

yep the field i went to told me that some of the paint on their bunkers was from last year. now that is sick that it stayed around through the rainy season, and we had a good one that year, coming down hard and often. plus even in the full sun every day, it did not break down or drip off. I for one will start looking around for more earth friendly paint, hope my local stores around here will be have them.

[russc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfokj5z16nE

Here's a short tour of my home field, which uses nelson exclusively.

Has anyone confirmed that Nelson is in fact continuing to use the same formula?

[Smoothice]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfokj5z16nE

Here's a short tour of my home field, which uses nelson exclusively.

Has anyone confirmed that Nelson is in fact continuing to use the same formula?

"Yay. Black mold. Its cute"

:rofl: O.K that video right there made me care about what kind of paint I use.

[Lohman446]

I would question using it on a commercial field. Even if it is acceptable now.

Think of the clean-up issues involved with people who buy old gas stations with old in ground tanks for one example of long term negative effects, not just environmentally but on value. There are simply too many viable alternatives in my opinion to take the risks associated with using something you know has more of a negative impact than another readily available substitute. If price is the only reason you have for defense (not quality, flight, marking, etc), which it seems it is, you are treading on dangerous grounds that other industries have shown us the risks of over and over again.

[Chronobreak]

nelson according to the sales lady has NOT reformulated

the were set to this month along with a price increase.

thats why i made this post.

we have that same "black mold" type buildup on alot of our buildings as well.

wether nelson reformualtes or not we are no longer going to be allowing their paint at our field.

[michbich]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfokj5z16nE

Here's a short tour of my home field, which uses nelson exclusively.

Has anyone confirmed that Nelson is in fact continuing to use the same formula?

Wow, that's just nasty. Although i don't mind getting dirty, you would not see me at a feild of that condition.

[maniacmechanic]

i just watched the vid ; I guess it would still be good for marking trees ,, IF you could get by the environmentalist's

[Chronobreak]

Wow, that's just nasty. Although i don't mind getting dirty, you would not see me at a feild of that condition.

thats the point of this thread

alarmism, maybe to an extent..but when you may think a place has a dirty facility due to negligence it may simply be beyond their control.

i cant tell you how much stuff we had to powerwash, use cleaners on, replace and it still doesnt look as good as it did before.

hopefully other fields and players catch on before its too late.

let me also throw another variable in here.

what if its somehow OK for nelson to sell this paint, but the EPA shuts your field down due to the environmental hazard your field has become?

[drg]

anyone who thinks this is an over reaction has not been to

A a field that allows this type of paint

B a field that goesthru any decent volume of paint.

it really does turn into a marshmellow like substance and does not degrade

infact anyone who does not believe me provide me an address and IL SHIP YOU SOME from over 4 months ago!

More proof is needed, as has always been the case since the start of this crusade. Anecdotal evidence is cute but ultimately worthless. The fields I play at allow Nelson, and I don't really see a huge issue with it damaging or killing the field. I do see the white buildup on houses and bunkers, but is that really only Nelson? I have not known any Nelson paints to leave the "white residue" (likely titanium dioxide) on my gear the way some others do, and I see the same white residue on structures at fields that use FPO RP paints. Nel-splat is about the thinnest, most easily washed paint I have ever seen.

The video above is a perfect example of a worthless anecdotal example. It's after a month of no rain ... is it really expected that a field can self-clean without water? I have never known a field to self-clean without rain. And it's not like anything would grow in that muck near the bunkers regardless of what paint it was.

As for the mold, maybe it might be a good idea to consider taking the tops off the houses or actively wash mold-prone areas. And doesn't the presence of mold indicate biodegradability?

I'm not saying it's not an issue, just that the reports of it have never really clearly proven the problem. Compare it to other paints, do washability tests, test it on vegetation, try to get mold from other paints. Contact the EPA about possible concerns and try to find out what the formula actually is. It's all just speculation and stories at this point.

[Chronobreak]

More proof is needed, as has always been the case since the start of this crusade. Anecdotal evidence is cute but ultimately worthless. The fields I play at allow Nelson, and I don't really see a huge issue with it damaging or killing the field. I do see the white buildup on houses and bunkers, but is that really only Nelson? I have not known any Nelson paints to leave the "white residue" (likely titanium dioxide) on my gear the way some others do, and I see the same white residue at fields that use FPO RP paints.

The video above is a perfect example of a worthless anecdotal example. It's after a month of no rain ... is it really expected that a field can self-clean without water? I have never known a field to self-clean without rain. And it's not like anything would grow in that muck near the bunkers regardless of what paint it was.

As for the mold, maybe it might be a good idea to consider taking the tops off the houses or actively wash mold-prone areas. And doesn't the presence of mold indicate biodegradability?

I'm not saying it's not an issue, just that the reports of it have never really shown the problem. Compare it to other paints, do washability tests, test it on vegetation, try to get mold from other paints. Contact the EPA about possible concerns and try to find out what the formula actually is. It's all just speculation and stories at this point.

so after 11 + years of operating a facility and switching to nelson for field paint, actively reffing those times, seeing the areas shot and constantly monitoring them is "anecdotal evidence"

the water mixing test is also the same "anecdotal evidence"

the paint we are using now, and waht we allow seems to be encouraging growth, but i tell you what, im gonna go buy some plants, put some of this rancid oil paint in one and peg in the other, we will see then.

or is that still not evidence enough.

as i said contacting the EPA may get the manufacturer in hot water but could also get our field potentialy shut down)

speculation, iplease dont take me as being rude but you are very naive as im not the only one posting evidence here.

dont get me wrong nelson is NOT the only manufacturer doing this, however they are one of the mroe deceptive manufacturers.

and we dont and ahve not allowed an oil/staining paint as we test it all on the spot.

so i ask, what do i need to do to prove this?


--drg waht field do you play at, ide like to contact the owner/manager and ask them persoanly what their feelings are.

[drg]

so after 11 + years of operating a facility and switching to nelson for field paint, actively reffing those times, seeing the areas shot and constantly monitoring them is "anecdotal evidence"

the water mixing test is also the same "anecdotal evidence"

the paint we are using now, and waht we allow seems to be encouraging growth, but i tell you what, im gonna go buy some plants, put some of this rancid oil paint in one and peg in the other, we will see then.

or is that still not evidence enough.

as i said contacting the EPA may get the manufacturer in hot water but could also get our field potentialy shut down)

speculation, iplease dont take me as being rude but you are very naive as im not the only one posting evidence here.

dont get me wrong nelson is NOT the only manufacturer doing this, however they are one of the mroe deceptive manufacturers.

and we dont and ahve not allowed an oil/staining paint as we test it all on the spot.

so i ask, what do i need to do to prove this?

--drg waht field do you play at, ide like to contact the owner/manager and ask them persoanly what their feelings are.

Any of that testing would be more than we have now. How about checking the EPA regulations regarding vegetable oil? I have looked, and I have yet to find a regulation that you would need to worry about.

The fact that 2 or 3 people have said something in this thread proves nothing and is ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE. There are thousands of fields and hundreds of thousands to millions of players out there.

[Chronobreak]

perhaps there was never a need for or is a regulation for what i would consider not much more than just dumping these raw materials directly into the environment?

this is more of a Field facility referance for me as to the crusading, i am not out "trying to save the environment per say"

as to let paintball players be aware of things they are not.

as others have said sure paintball equipment is made for this stuff and who cares about a stain on the gun?

well, few things

that stain may hurt resale greatly on hard/soft goods.

personal gear aside, what about paint that is so staining that it will tint a lense with that color once shot?

thats a rental mask essentialy ruined in one day/use, sure you can use it but that next persons gonna be upset or wonder why theyr lenses is funky and appears unwashed.

as well as the oil thick paint that sticks to the faceplate and cannot be removed without chemicals that may harm the integreity of the goggle itself?

same goes for the strap thats now ruined/stained and appears dirty

thats just goggles aside, throw in the same thing for markers, chest protectors, rental packs

you getting the picture yet?

but like i said people with their own gear may not care or playing in outlaw ball, but some expect more of their fields/facilities than sticky messes and coup on things.

sorry if i sound frustrated , this is one of those things you feel like people either dont get or dont care when they really should.

i searched the interent to also find your elusive facts

appears its common knoledge that these oils are used as insecticides...interesting fact right?

so that means is ok to be used on plants?perhaps not

all these instructions i see are for a diluted form to be mixed with a solvent.(likely a different form used in paint IE paint is less or non soluable in water)

also i dont see how this paint that cakes on elaves, likely covering the part that collects sunlight allowing the plant to live is plant friendly.

IE i like pancake syrup but if i were to be covered in it, that might not be so healthy for me if i were to be like that for a while.

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> I have been using canola oil (in very diluted form, as per instructions)
> to kill the aphids on my roses for the last two years. It
> works very well; it suffocates them. Ask for it at your nursery.


This is also quite true. Oils work well as insecticides because oils are not soluble in water. When oil gets on an insect, it sticks really well, and clogs the insects' spiracles, which are tiny holes into the insect's body which allow air inside. This is how insects breathe. Oils will clog up the spiracles, suffocating insects. Needless to say, humans do not breathe in this way. Oils are often recommended as household "insecticides" precisely because they are not toxic to humans. Canola and rapeseed are cheap so they are frequently used in insecticides.

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feel free to check on WIKI, EPA's Home website as well as many agriculture avenues

As per your request i will go buy some paint(several brands) and several plents and run a case study/experiment at your request.

[drg]

Well as I have said above, I personally have not found nelson to have washability problems, and that would be a key area to test. I have never seen a modern ball that would actually stain a lens.

You have not proven what oil is in the paint, so jumping to the conclusion that it is canola is a mistake right off the bat, and a use of an item as an insecticide may or may not have anything to do with its relative toxicity to humans or the environment. Oil is involved in the manufacture of all paintballs, regardless. You have not proven that the white residue is oil or related to the oil, versus the other agents in the paintball formula (thickeners, colorants, etc.)

Ultimately the claims are very, very broad and I am far from convinced a certain brand of paint is to blame and should be vilified for it. As a player I have been trying to glean some information from this crusade that I can act upon with confidence but I have never gotten it. Everything is just overbroad and anecdotal.

All this talk about the EPA and fields getting shut down smacks of hysteria and alarmism rather than well-defined reality, which is exactly what we don't need.