Dye Rotor -- "50+ BPS"

[pito189]

If you are only shooting 13.3 bps and this thing is feeding 50 bps. There will ALWAYS be a ball for you there to shoot.

In my eyes thats the advantage to it feeding 50 bps.

Ofcourse a halo doing whatever it does, should do the trick but I guess they don't since there is a need for eyes...

[michbich]

Atleast they are coming out with new ideas and designs. It will add a litle more diversity to the other force feeds. I don't see anything wrong with that. Feeding 50 + bps is just a marketing gimmic that only aggs care about. Let's not forget youtube drop test videos.

I for one won't complain on the aspects that don't appeal to me. People complain that there is not enough diversity or new ideas in the paintball business, but when one comes along, they complain about it.

[pmstc]

*insert rant about hopper feeding too fast here*

[snoopay700]

Likes:
it comes apart easy, but really thats not too impressive seeing that I have taken apart my halo 1 time ever and that was to install a rip drive.

3AA and a battery life of 50,000+ shots? sounds good, wonder how true it is.

Dislikes:
feed rate is useless, 50bps are you kidding....empty hopper in under 4 seconds....time to reload. Since your firing so fast, cant gauge how many shots are left, so keeping a few balls left in the hopper "just in case" while reloading is nearly impossible. IMHO ROF is a moot point, has been since we passed 15bps.

Looks like you have to disassemble the whole thing to change batteries.

like devildog and Pullman just mentioned.....why is it so ugly?

Price

and finally, its another blimp

I have a few more, but this is getting too long as is

You obviously are a man who has never broken a ball in your pod and didn't realize until half the pod was in your hopper already. Man, and it was a brand new shell too, that was nasty.

I like it, and how it works is intriguing, but i doubt i would ever buy one.

[eckoblazer]

found some pics of it over on pbnation: http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...874391&page=16

[GoatBoy]

Atleast they are coming out with new ideas and designs. It will add a litle more diversity to the other force feeds. I don't see anything wrong with that. Feeding 50 + bps is just a marketing gimmic that only aggs care about. Let's not forget youtube drop test videos.

I for one won't complain on the aspects that don't appeal to me. People complain that there is not enough diversity or new ideas in the paintball business, but when one comes along, they complain about it.

Exactly.

What do you do when you can't actually made an intelligent comment?

Complain about how "ugly" it looks!



At any rate, I like this design, even if it still is another blimp. And I honestly can not say this about any other "normal" (Egg/Halo/etc.) hopper that I've seen so far. There are a lot of interesting mechanical and geometric things going here. If I understand correctly, the lower scoop counter-rotates against the upper sort paddles, and scoops paint inward toward the feed neck. If you think about it, it's kind of like the last bit of a q-loader, but it operates completely in an inverse fashion.

What I've never liked about other designs is that after your ball is sorted into ready-to-feed position, it continues to get flung in a mini-cyclone because that's how the impellers work. I believe this is just a holdover from the mental mindset that started with original Revvy's. It's unnecessary motion; it takes additional energy, and also causes all the other problems you see with the whole "freeway jamming" and paint flinging. Your sort speed and your force feed are too closely related, and if you start thinking about circles, tangents, and centrifugal force, you start understanding things.

With this loader, it would appear that once a ball gets sorted and drops to the lower level, it doesn't need to go anywhere else. It can just sit there waiting for the lower scoop to come by and finally scoop it into the feed neck. As balls disappear, I think there's a good chance that the next open slot should appear behind the scoop, which would give a ball the maximum amount of time to drop into that slot before it was it's turn to be scooped, which I think is the critical issue needed for speed. You want to give the ball as much time as possible to gravity feed into position, because in the end (or at the top), these things are still gravity fed. Since they're counter-rotating, that also means the same paddle slot gets 2 chances to fill behind the scoop every 1 full rotation. If you don't fill it, well, there's 3-4 other slots that get a chance before you get to try again.

Effectively, your "sort/agitation" and "force" functions are more decoupled. They're not completely decoupled (after all, you know you need to agitate/sort if you successfully force a ball out), so this at least seems like a good idea.

I wonder why there's a fin on the bottom of the thing? That might prevent someone like me from mounting a dovetail on the bottom of that and using it to clamp the hopper to the gun like I've talked about elsewhere.

Also, it'd be neat if this could truly force feed paint out, like a warp, but without having to use a warp. Again, a rail mount on the bottom might prove useful for something like that.

Unfortunately, the reliability is always the big question. You can find worthless drop tests of nearly every loader out there, yet you won't find any true analytical teardowns of a loader where people go, "Hrm, this was a bad design or implementation."


Instead, you get kiddies complaining about how ugly it is.

[Enemy]

all i care about is whether or not the shell will have the durability that has been lacking in the market since the harder plastics became standard.

[Rudz]

all i care about is whether or not the shell will have the durability that has been lacking in the market since the harder plastics became standard.

QFT , it looks a bit more sturdier

[chafnerjr]

although they make good products, why is everything that dye touches HIDEOUS!!

Alright... I've got to call it on this one. While it's no beauty, what hopper is really? I think they are all ugly as sin with the Magna being the nest of the bunch... but they are ALL still ugly as hell.

I'd be happy with just being able to clean a break more easily... then again I don't take the halo apart to clean it anyways... I just run HPA into it from my macro line and voila! Clean eyes.

with that said I'm more than willing to let the first few hundred try them... break them... and then maybe I'll think about the next version. just like with the Halo.

[snoopay700]

Looking at those pictures i think i finally get how it works, and i have to say it makes a lot of sense, it's a really smart design.

[Hilltop Customs]

Looking at those pictures i think i finally get how it works, and i have to say it makes a lot of sense, it's a really smart design.

Yea the sweeping action into a center hole is a pretty cool idea, that would take a lot less energy than rotating all the balls around(especially considering the weight of the ball stack on top). I'm not sure what the top thin wheel portion is doing though other than making sure balls are placed evenly in the bottom cup, but its gotto have a reason for being there.

BTW, I havent broke a ball in a pod then dumped it into my halo yet....done it in a revy a bunch times back in the day, but I've been lucky with the halo. Actually, I dont remember ever had broken paint in my halo....weird.

Enemy: AMEN. I've ended up epoxying all of the feednecks of mine and my friends Halos back together. Thats why I'll always keep the old school pre-BE revy with me.

michbich: only reason I complained.....how different is it really? feedrate wont even be noticeable because guns are limited by rules, and hoppers already can outfeed them. The only improvements(that I saw from the clip) are the sweeping action of the feed and tool-less disassembly, which is great, but I'd rather have a bigger improvement than that if its going to cost $150 for a bunch of molded plastic parts and a motor. I'm cheap and expect a lot for my money....I dont go throwing at the newest toys unless they are a big step up....this goes for paintball and anything else.

and finally, its an opinion thread, if someone thinks its ugly, why shouldnt they be allowed to say it? If you think its the hotness, say so, no ones stopping you. BTW I dont think it looked as ugly in the PBN pics.


*waits for size overlays comparing it other hoppers on the market*

[Pneumagger]

Loading rate should not be interchanged with ROF lmitaton.
A hopper that has a maximum dump rate of 15bps WILL NOT allow a gun to fire 15bps.
Even if it dumps 15bps 110% reliably.

The faster a hopper can feed, the better it can feed 13-20bps without a misfeed.

[Dend78]

that is pretty sweet lil dude but to me it looks kina small as far as capacity goes but it does looke like a lil better plastic was used in the making, and the one button take down is a fantastic idea

[Rudz]

the pull apart seems easy, idk i may put one on my warp set up

[michbich]

I wasn't pointing at you Hilltop, you make an intelligent posts. I'm just reffering in general, mostly outside AO. It's in the human nature to resist change and the unknown.

Don't get me wrong, I can't afford one. I play about twice a year and I don't work. I to watch very carefully in witch hands my money goes.