Dye Rotor -- "50+ BPS"

[Hilltop Customs]

Loading rate should not be interchanged with ROF lmitaton.
A hopper that has a maximum dump rate of 15bps WILL NOT allow a gun to fire 15bps.
Even if it dumps 15bps 110% reliably.

The faster a hopper can feed, the better it can feed 13-20bps without a misfeed.

true, but when halos/reloaders/magnas feed ~20bps+ and rules say 13.3 or whatever, whats the big gain of jumping up to 50+? Also consider what is the result of a ball being misfed.....with eyes you just have a missed shot and on to the next one.

BTW hopper companies shouldnt be allow to advertise dumping feedrate......someone could advertise an insane rate of "loading" for a piece of PVC pipe only using gravity to "load".

I play semi, so feedrate doesnt make a difference to me....probably why I'm pointing this out.

Now if this hopper has a reduced chance of jamming or something like that, then that is a step in the right direction. But the fact that they list an "unjamming trigger" kind of gives that one away. It will be interesting to see if there is any pinching issues with the 2 parts counter rotating.

I hope I'm not sounding horribly negative....lol its just kind of the way I think....I really like the feed idea of the sweeping to center action instead of shoving balls down an exterior hole. Its almost like an inverted halo if you think about it.....instead of moving the balls in the cup your moving the little wall that stops the rotation and forces them into the feed tube.

[DanMan]

Amen to that brother. Their barrels are nice, but other than that blech

the slg is a nice looking gun, but i guess that is proto

[snoopay700]

true, but when halos/reloaders/magnas feed ~20bps+ and rules say 13.3 or whatever, whats the big gain of jumping up to 50+? Also consider what is the result of a ball being misfed.....with eyes you just have a missed shot and on to the next one.

BTW hopper companies shouldnt be allow to advertise dumping feedrate......someone could advertise an insane rate of "loading" for a piece of PVC pipe only using gravity to "load".

I play semi, so feedrate doesnt make a difference to me....probably why I'm pointing this out.

Now if this hopper has a reduced chance of jamming or something like that, then that is a step in the right direction. But the fact that they list an "unjamming trigger" kind of gives that one away. It will be interesting to see if there is any pinching issues with the 2 parts counter rotating.

I hope I'm not sounding horribly negative....lol its just kind of the way I think....I really like the feed idea of the sweeping to center action instead of shoving balls down an exterior hole. Its almost like an inverted halo if you think about it.....instead of moving the balls in the cup your moving the little wall that stops the rotation and forces them into the feed tube.

The thing is that with my halo on the 18 bps setting i have had a misfeed BEFORE i changed my classic RT to a pneumag, so pretty much i just had an intelliframe on it. If you can get a misfeed with that, i would think that 50+ bps wouldn't be such a horrible idea because there's not as much chance that there'll be a misfeed, but there is still a chance. And i have gotten more misfeeds since i switched it over, but that's mainly when i'm not playing and i'm trying to coordinate my fingers to fire fast, so it's probably due to short stroking, but when i'm playing it's oddly different, because i don't remember it happening once when i was playing.

But as for your last comment, it seems that the top thing spinning is an anti-jam feature, because as ingenious as the single paddle pushing the balls to the middle is, it would jam up a lot without something to help evenly distribute the balls.

[MournBlade]

Interesting use of a planetary gear system. Will it really do 50bps? Most likely no and more to the point that it may have peaked at 50bps at one point and marketing decided not to show it's average rate. The only way to be sure is with empirical data gathered under proper conditions.

[snoopay700]

Interesting use of a planetary gear system. Will it really do 50bps? Most likely no and more to the point that it may have peaked at 50bps at one point and marketing decided not to show it's average rate. The only way to be sure is with empirical data gathered under proper conditions.

Exactly, but it is a more efficient design, and i wouldn't be surprised to hear the average is in the 30s at least, although maybe i'm just being too hopeful for a new design.

[spiked_bad_monkey]

sweet, now all dye needs to make is a senario gun, a pistol, & paint, then they will have covered everything lol

[trevorjk]

where are the videos that show the dump rates? the gears in action? how about rates on a gun set up for insane speeds?

looks like advertising at its best right now. however i dont mind the look so far, just wish you could have a different base color. and $150, for something that probably cost $75 at most for dye to make

[blake20]

Someone just buy one try it out and let the rest of us poor people know if it's any good or not. I know there are alot of xmag owners out there, they surely have $150 in change laying arround.

[snoopay700]

Someone just buy one try it out and let the rest of us poor people know if it's any good or not. I know there are alot of xmag owners out there, they surely have $150 in change laying arround.

No they don't, they spent it on their xmag.

[Hilltop Customs]

No they don't, they spent it on their xmag.

not the guy who bought the xmag and cocker for ~$200....

[WARPED1]

not the guy who bought the xmag and cocker for ~$200....

Now thats a more reasonable price. XMags are amazing feats of production and a great gun, but not $1700 used
(I saw one at that price). Of course, NO gun should be that high. Like the Egos at ~$1200!

[questionful]

I think making a better and faster feeding system is in no way pointless.

[WARPED1]

I think making a better and faster feeding system is in no way pointless.

QFT........

[Hilltop Customs]

better, yes. Faster, has a point only if you need it.

Does it keep pressure on the ballstack? Does it have the instantaneous feed rate that other hoppers have? I'm more interested in that kind of info than 50bps feed rate at a free fall. Like I said already, a pvc pipe with a ball stack in it can blow away any hopper at a free fall test....so whats the point of those number?(other than of course advertising)

I really like the design of the feed, but I wish they would have done more with it other than put it in the standard hopper......thats all I'm trying to say. I'm not happy with what we have now, and in no way is that a bad thing IMO.



WARPED1: nothing determines price quite like demand.....if people are willing to pay for it, that is what it will sell for. Limit quantities of something people want, xmag, and the price will skyrocket.....I dont even want to know what kind of price a SFL would bring around here given the right selling time. Have to agree though, I wouldnt buy them at current prices. But I'd rather have a turd than a polished turd, if they both do the same thing.

[GoatBoy]

It's like shining a laser pointer in front of a pet. That's why they put the claim of 50+ bps on there, regardless of whether or not it's true, because that's what you all pay attention to (that is, when you're not thinking deep thoughts about how attractive or not the shell is). The difference being that most pets will eventually realize that chasing the little dot is futile and will stop doing it, whereas you guys...

Let's imagine that they stated it had a more believable 30bps feed rate. Now what would you guys be arguing about? What if they said it was 25bps? What if they said it was 80bps?

Just TRY to imagine, for one second, that they never made a mention of feed rate. Now what do you have to say?

It's just a number, and the validation of that number remains to be seen. That's it.


As far as the black top paddle thingy's function... I think it serves two main functions. Try to imagine what would happen to the paint if you DIDN'T have it there. The scoop spins around and starts putting force on some paint... and then what?

There are also two other things I forgot to mention that I like about the design. I think the spring loaded bottom floor is a really good idea. I assume that when there's paint in there, it weighs the bottom door down so it lays as far down as possible so you can cram more paint in. However, when you start emptying paint out, it starts rising up so that your balls will naturally funnel into the drive area without the user having to tilt forward. This means you can relocate the mass of your paint BEHIND the feed neck toward the back of the gun, which is a good thing, without paying the penalty like, say, on an Evlution.

The other thing is that it runs on 3 AA batteries, which puts it in the voltage range to be run off a single lithium ion cell. I'm betting you could get away with a single 14500 size cell.



Whether or not this thing live up to potential remains to be seen, but looking at the design is interesting. I don't even like Dye, and Hell, I don't even like top-loaders, but the damn thing actually appears to be a pretty clever design.