the "pneu" Emag (idea)

[eXo_oUtSiDeR]

So i had an idea the other day but was not completely sure if it was possible so i was gonna run it past you guys before ii actually started.

I love the idea of Emags,i love how you can switch to mech mode and basically the overall look of Emag lowers and plus its AGD so you know it must be good . The only thing that drives me crazy about them is their weight due to that huge *** battery which is needed to power that huge solenoid, and their lack of speed( i think xmod is capped at 15bps,correct me if im wrong).

So what i was going to try to do is remove the outdated electronics of the emag and sleeper E-Pneu it, but still keeping the feature of being to switch to mech mode. I would have to mill the hell out of the inside of the grip frame because there is a huge divider separating the solenoid from the board. I also would solve the weight problem because i wouldn't need the huge agd battery to run it. I was thinking of running a universal T-board, mac 34 solenoid, m-pa3 and a tickler lpr.

I also had another idea. I was going to make it a warp emag, keep the agd battery, remove the board fom the warp, and intelle it after i hooked the emag battery directly to the warp motor. It would solve the warp speed problem. I would also switch out the emag board out with a UTB and a mac noid and a mpa3.

Lemme know if this would work, If it has been done before could you send me a link to the thread? THANKS AO

[AirAssault]

Or lift a few weights so the "heavy" emag won't weigh you down...... There is nothing out dated about the Emag electronics. With the different software updates the thing will shoot as fast or faster than anything out there. Xmod it isn't capped at 15 bps. Pretty sure most of what you're wanting to do has been done... Of course if you pnue it, then you won't have the ability to use manual mode and pnue mode at the flip of a switch. I would go with the lifting weights idea. Looking up links now....

So i had an idea the other day but was not completely sure if it was possible so i was gonna run it past you guys before ii actually started.

I love the idea of Emags,i love how you can switch to mech mode and basically the overall look of Emag lowers and plus its AGD so you know it must be good . The only thing that drives me crazy about them is their weight due to that huge *** battery which is needed to power that huge solenoid, and their lack of speed( i think xmod is capped at 15bps,correct me if im wrong).

So what i was going to try to do is remove the outdated electronics of the emag and sleeper E-Pneu it, but still keeping the feature of being to switch to mech mode. I would have to mill the hell out of the inside of the grip frame because there is a huge divider separating the solenoid from the board. I also would solve the weight problem because i wouldn't need the huge agd battery to run it. I was thinking of running a universal T-board, mac 34 solenoid, m-pa3 and a tickler lpr.

I also had another idea. I was going to make it a warp emag, keep the agd battery, remove the board fom the warp, and intelle it after i hooked the emag battery directly to the warp motor. It would solve the warp speed problem. I would also switch out the emag board out with a UTB and a mac noid and a mpa3.

Lemme know if this would work, If it has been done before could you send me a link to the thread? THANKS AO

[eXo_oUtSiDeR]

lol wow heavy as in comparison to more current guns, plus there would be a warp feed on there. If I did not ule it you gotta admit that would be a heavy set up lol Also maybe the x-mod software is capped at 31 bps (my bad i dont know where i got the 31 from) how fast can that dated solenoid fully cycle? because that is what truly limits the speed of an emag.

[koleah]

I've actually thought about this a lot. I think you could probably find a pneumatic ram/piston and use that to replace the emags solenoid. You'd keep the emag sear, but take the magnet/steel rod off the end of it and attached that straight to the new ram. Then just find a way to use the mech/E switch to either control the flow of the air (if you straight-pneu it), or to turn your new board on and off (if you E-pneu it). That way you could keep the mech mode, but also have the optional/new Pneu mode with the flip of a switch.

You might have to go E-pneu so that you can use the magnet/HES for a switch since I don't know that there would be a way to cram a little 2-way valve in there along with your new ram. But ya never know.


As for heavy, I do agree with you. The one thing I don't like about my X-mag is that its a bit heavy compared to a ULE-body/ULE-rail/carbon-fiber-grip/bike-foregrip. Especially for those longer games, weight eventually does become an issue; trying to tote a full X with battery powered hopper and HPA tank eventually does start to wear on the arms.

[AirAssault]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDAUzg2itAM

Seems the old out dated solenoid is working pretty good to me.
Anything above 15 bps is just to show how big (or small) your wee wee is so what's the point? You go out to a rec field and start trying to sling at 20 bps and, at least around here, you will be booted or made to lower bps. I say go for it though, what the heck. Making my ego mags was part of the coolness factor for me any way. I have shot a warped emag with 88ci tank, it is heavy but.... I bet she could handle it.

[eXo_oUtSiDeR]

I've actually thought about this a lot. I think you could probably find a pneumatic ram/piston and use that to replace the emags solenoid. You'd keep the emag sear, but take the magnet/steel rod off the end of it and attached that straight to the new ram. Then just find a way to use the mech/E switch to either control the flow of the air (if you straight-pneu it), or to turn your new board on and off (if you E-pneu it). That way you could keep the mech mode, but also have the optional/new Pneu mode with the flip of a switch.

You might have to go E-pneu so that you can use the magnet/HES for a switch since I don't know that there would be a way to cram a little 2-way valve in there along with your new ram. But ya never know.


As for heavy, I do agree with you. The one thing I don't like about my X-mag is that its a bit heavy compared to a ULE-body/ULE-rail/carbon-fiber-grip/bike-foregrip. Especially for those longer games, weight eventually does become an issue; trying to tote a full X with battery powered hopper and HPA tank eventually does start to wear on the arms.

yup i totally agree with what you are saying. I was thinking of using the hess sensor from the emag and somehow make it work with the universal t board ( or another board if needed) I was thinking of basically switching the emag internals with e-pneu internals as if i was making a ego-mag or angel mag or something. I was thinking of replacing the emag solenoid with the mpa3 in the same position but the only problem is that the solenoid pulls and the mpa3 pushes so i will have too find someway around that but i have a couple ideas that i think might work.

[eXo_oUtSiDeR]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDAUzg2itAM

Seems the old out dated solenoid is working pretty good to me.
Anything above 15 bps is just to show how big (or small) your wee wee is so what's the point? You go out to a rec field and start trying to sling at 20 bps and, at least around here, you will be booted or made to lower bps. I say go for it though, what the heck. Making my ego mags was part of the coolness factor for me any way. I have shot a warped emag with 88ci tank, it is heavy but.... I bet she could handle it.

LMAO wow dude was that all really necessary?

Of course i realize that shooting anywhere probably over even 13 bps is complete overkill and i would never do it in a real game but still its nice to know that you could if you wanted to. This project was completely based on my desire to have a non-standard possibly more updated emag. and i totally realize that emags are extremely awesome and fast stock but i want something more original and perhaps lighter and faster lol?

Anything above 15 bps is just to show how big (or small) your wee wee is

And trust me it's plenty big

[AirAssault]

LMAO wow dude was that all really necessary?

Of course i realize that shooting anywhere probably over even 13 bps is complete overkill and i would never do it in a real game but still its nice to know that you could if you wanted to. This project was completely based on my desire to have a non-standard possibly more updated emag. and i totally realize that emags are extremely awesome and fast stock but i want something more original and perhaps lighter and faster lol?


And trust me it's plenty big

LoL. I told you to go for it.... as far as the pic, don't be mad if she is more buff

[BenoitOWN]

What is your hopper? If it an Halo B you can save 6oz from the battery that go inside the hopper by buying Chris Nearchos adapter and use your halo B by the marker battery. He is also working on a more powerfull battery so you can look into that.

[thefool]

Err dated soleniod?
I know that there have been amazing advances in digital electronics and miniaturization as of late, but im pretty sure solenoids haven't changed significantly in a while.

[eXo_oUtSiDeR]

What is your hopper? If it an Halo B you can save 6oz from the battery that go inside the hopper by buying Chris Nearchos adapter and use your halo B by the marker battery. He is also working on a more powerfull battery so you can look into that.

yeah i have a halo b, ill look into that thanks!

[DamianTC]

lightweight guns are for speedball, why? cause they think they are getting an advantage. About 10 years ago, I was invited on a semi-pro team while I was using a VM-68.. go figure with the weight..........

[RavishingEddie]

my emag9 is half the weight of an emag and rips with the emag solenoid.

[Hilltop Customs]

Err dated soleniod?
I know that there have been amazing advances in digital electronics and miniaturization as of late, but im pretty sure solenoids haven't changed significantly in a while.

that is exactly what I was thinking.....didnt know a coil and a magnet could become dated so quickly. Wonder what new technology they have been replaced with


Anyway, maintaining the mechanical aspect of the mag while also having the ep features is going to be difficult. Easiest way I can think to do it would be use a sear extension like the G-Force frames. Either that or mount the ram right against the rail, above the sear rod. I would not try to replace the emag noid with a ram for 2 reasons....1st the ram will have to "pull" on the sear, this means the ram will need 2 o-rings. 2nd, since its permanently attached to the sear, the ram will move when you pull the mechanical trigger, increasing the pull "weight" of the mechanical trigger. Your much better off with a "bump" style ram, like everyone currently uses.....just need to get it out of the way of the trigger rod.


Activation of the EP feature is pretty much limited to HES or break beam since you need post travel for the mechanical aspect.

If it was me, I would try for EP/pneumatic backup......sounds more difficult, but it really shouldnt be. Or you could just take the easy way out and use 2 grip frames.

[Enemy]

the only advantage to going pnue would be wight savings bye getting rid of the battery pack, but if you are going to warp it than you would end up saving more weight if you went with the x-power mod, it runs power to a warp and a hopper off of the guns battery.

just do a search for that instead because the front battery pack is lighter than 6-8 AAs