the "pneu" Emag (idea)

[eXo_oUtSiDeR]

I didnt means so much that the technology of the solenoid was dated but the technology of using the solenoid to act directly on the sear and pull it (as a sear tripper) is dated in my opinion, or at least it's a bad technology. :/ but thats just my opinion.

[211]

The solenoid directly acting on the sear is a much simpler system, and therefore fewer things to go wrong, than an EP setup
I think the only things you would gain from this over a straight Emag would be in weight reduction, and even that would wind up being slight once all the EP components had been added

[Watcher]

Stock E-mag with the SS body, CP barrel, and sight-rail is just under 5lbs... The warp is about 15oz (so about a pound), and hopper can range from ounces to a pound.
Batteries (9vs, AAs, etc) are irrelivant.
A carbon fiber tank is about a pound.

At the most you are running a 8lb setup. Which isn't too bad in my opinion.

If you use a ULE body, a lighter barrel, an X-valve, and a light hopper then you can lower that to like 6 pounds which still isn't bad considering a modern electro with a tank and a heavy hopper is about 4-5 pounds.

But I'll agree that the E-mag is heavy. My all SS RTPro with the rails, stock barrel, a warp, and a hopper on it weighs about as much as my friend's e-mag with a ULE WL body and a lapco barrel with the warp not attached.

I have to say, though, that I like the weight. A 2lb marker feels... delicate to me.

And I played a 3+hr scenario game with my RT classic warp'd which is probably comparable to a stock E-mag and I had enough energy afterward to play with the walk-ons for a few more hours with no lunch.

Plus when you add adrenaline it probably doesn't feel as heavy, especially when you consider many scenario kits people make on their tippmanns can weight near 15lbs!

[koleah]

My emag isn't heavy. Want to feel my bicep?
Solenoids aren't outdated. Your mom is out-dated. Or is that out dating?

Doesn't anyone else think that a E-pneu / mech mag would be cool? I think that was what the original post was supposed to bring out, not a bunch of opinions on how emags aren't heavy, and how the solenoid isn't outdated.

Cuz seriously, I at least thought it was a cool idea...


Chee, I figured, for as interested in Mag modification as most of us seem to be, that this would have brought out a little more interest that it did. Oh well.

[GRimm]

Sounds like a cool idea, but i have to agree that while an emag is heavier then most guns, it realy doesnt weigh all that much. Does you emag have a ule'd frame?

Ohh and on a side note, When was the last time you held my emag Watcher? I think you need to come over and pick it up again because i doubt that your mag weighs less then mine when yours has everything on it and mine doesnt. Idk, maye i just havent held your rtpro in a while.

[Hilltop Customs]

Doesn't anyone else think that a E-pneu / mech mag would be cool? I think that was what the original post was supposed to bring out, not a bunch of opinions on how emags aren't heavy, and how the solenoid isn't outdated.

Cuz seriously, I at least thought it was a cool idea...


Chee, I figured, for as interested in Mag modification as most of us seem to be, that this would have brought out a little more interest that it did. Oh well.

I think its a cool idea. But that doesnt change the fact that the solenoid is not outdated, the emag is not that heavy, and the available software is not capped at 15bps. So the only vaild point put forth so far is possible weight savings.....which I think is pretty much over-signified by paintball players. We are carrying around a hopper full of liquid and a compressed air tank ON the gun.....add a pack of ~500 additional paintballs strapped to our back; now how significant is the ~2-4 oz weight savings of this mod? In no way does my response take away from the coolness of the idea/mod, the only thing it takes away from is the reasoning behind it.

IMO there is very little improvement over a stock emag for the amount of effort that will be required. But that is just my opinion.....those few ounces that are saved might matter more to somoene else.

[Chris Nearchos]

okay

okay, so i have been thinking a good bit on how to do this post before posting. Cause this is something I have been working on for a bit now. I dont want to say too much into details and how i have worked them out because i should have a working product ready for sale by the end of spring.

but some things you will need to look at as far as issues:

1) finding a pneu noid that will work under the pressure and high rates and turture of users.
2) much increased air use ( if used with a lvl 10)
3) what to do with the front grip
4) where to place the lpr


also, have you compared the difference in parts? meaning the weight of the pneu parts compared to the weight of the pure electro parts? the only thing your looking to lose on a EP setup is the huge battery. but that weight is picked back up with the LPR other pnue parts and a smaller battery.

the weight of the noid wouldnt really decrease in the change, because it again will get replaced by pneu noid and its special mounting.

and on the flip side, there isnt really anything to gain from a EP emag. honestly, its just two different ways of doing the same thing.




but as BenoitOWN suggest, if you want to lose some weight on your setup, look into my power harness. allows you to subtract the weight of all the batteries in the hopper and warp WHILE getting much more use out of your battery.

also, if you want to work more with this idea, I suggest you wait a bit for the new Emag board. this will give you the easy option of runing a EP noid.


I will post more on this subject tomorrow when i am more awake.

-Chris

[Watcher]

Ohh and on a side note, When was the last time you held my emag Watcher? I think you need to come over and pick it up again because i doubt that your mag weighs less then mine when yours has everything on it and mine doesnt. Idk, maye i just havent held your rtpro in a while.

Maybe I exaggerated a little but you can't say that your E-mag fully stock + warp + hopper + tank isn't a lot heavier than my RT Pro with the same.

Maybe your E-mag ULE'd with just the barrel and ASA is about as much as my stock RT Pro with just the barrel and ASA... maybe just a bit more.


Getting back to the topic though, GRimm brought this up in passing conversation, by making the mag pneu but wanting to keep the mech mode you are basically making a selector switch for mech and mech.
It'd be like an M-4 having a switch that doesn't go safe-semi-auto but rather safe-4lbs-2lbs which is essentially pointless.

Since there is no way to pass the Pneumatics, even if you were to somehow make the switch e-pneu vs mech-pneu you aren't really gaining anything over turning the board off... so the switch would not be needed.

Bottom line is E-pneu is E-pneu... nothing more.
Pneu mech is Pneu mech... nothing more.
E-mag with X-mod is fast, programmable, modern, it retains the E and mech modes, but you sacrifice a bit in the weight catagory.
IMO a little weight doesn't compare to outstanding performance.

[Chris Nearchos]

Since there is no way to pass the Pneumatics, even if you were to somehow make the switch e-pneu vs mech-pneu you aren't really gaining anything over turning the board off... so the switch would not be needed.

actually, the switch isnt just for changing modes. It actually restricts the trigger pull shorter in E-mode. So the switch.....or something like it would still be wanted. plus you can keep the hybrid mode in the swtich.

Bottom line is E-pneu is E-pneu... nothing more.
Pneu mech is Pneu mech... nothing more.
E-mag with X-mod is fast, programmable, modern, it retains the E and mech modes, but you sacrifice a bit in the weight catagory.
IMO a little weight doesn't compare to outstanding performance.

if you are talking about those three setups applied to the emag, you are a bit wrong.

the EP and E will do the exact same thing. "programmable, modern, it retains the E and mech modes"


just one is fully Electronic (requiring a bigger battery).....the other is using more AIR and less battery.

-Chris

[Hilltop Customs]

Since there is no way to pass the Pneumatics, even if you were to somehow make the switch e-pneu vs mech-pneu you aren't really gaining anything over turning the board off... so the switch would not be needed.

Place the electronic and mechanical 3 ways in parallel....with the electronic activation you gain ramping, burst, and whatever other mode you desire. Switch to mech-pneu and you gain battery free semi. Sounds like you are thinking in series? which I agree would be completely pointless. Really you would need to have small on/offs on both the mechanical and ep 3 ways....that way they dont vent when the other 3 way pressurizes the ram.

[zondo]

I think its a cool idea. But that doesnt change the fact that the solenoid is not outdated, the emag is not that heavy, and the available software is not capped at 15bps. So the only vaild point put forth so far is possible weight savings.....which I think is pretty much over-signified by paintball players. We are carrying around a hopper full of liquid and a compressed air tank ON the gun.....add a pack of ~500 additional paintballs strapped to our back; now how significant is the ~2-4 oz weight savings of this mod? In no way does my response take away from the coolness of the idea/mod, the only thing it takes away from is the reasoning behind it.

IMO there is very little improvement over a stock emag for the amount of effort that will be required. But that is just my opinion.....those few ounces that are saved might matter more to somoene else.

Maybe a better weight saving idea would be to combine the warp and loader in one package versus two...

[Hilltop Customs]

Maybe a better weight saving idea would be to combine the warp and loader in one package versus two...

Ive said the same thing many times I can think of a pretty easy way to make one out of a halo and warp, but the ball capacity will be low.

[zondo]

Ive said the same thing many times I can think of a pretty easy way to make one out of a halo and warp, but the ball capacity will be low.

I know you did ... in fact, I revisited that thread not 3 days ago when I was cleaning out my PM's. It's still bugging me that no one has done it. I think that you had a great idea with punching a hole in the bottom and having the force feed from the below the marker.

[Watcher]

if you are talking about those three setups applied to the emag, you are a bit wrong.

the EP and E will do the exact same thing. "programmable, modern, it retains the E and mech modes"


just one is fully Electronic (requiring a bigger battery).....the other is using more AIR and less battery.

-Chris

I was refering to that in regards to the selctor switch. If the E-mag was made E-pneu that's pretty much the only mode you can use. If it is just pneu it is the same.

If it was left stock you have mech and E mode.

[Hilltop Customs]

I was refering to that in regards to the selctor switch. If the E-mag was made E-pneu that's pretty much the only mode you can use. If it is just pneu it is the same.

If it was left stock you have mech and E mode.

The point of the post was the idea of having both an EP and mechanical modes:

So what i was going to try to do is remove the outdated electronics of the emag and sleeper E-Pneu it, but still keeping the feature of being to switch to mech mode.

zondo: I really wanted to try that mod out.....wish I had some disposable income to drop on more paintball gear to play around with. Dont think it would be hard at all.....just need a couple mods to the halos feed tray, a feed hole cut in the bottom of the warp(through the battery compartment), and a nice big vertical slot wide enough for the warp cut in the nose of the halo.....well that and some some epoxy. :)