New SFL Cocker $700.00 ?

[Dawg047]

Exactly. I would not pay $700 and definatley not $1300 for any marker. Lets see, I payed less than that for both of my Micro RT's together and they are twice the gun of any cocker. No way Jose. Now, if it was 1 of like 10 maybe but heck, that thing better shoot tits while making chocolate milk if you know what I mean. And, with the rate of fire caps going where they are like stated, heck, PGP's will be the next new thing. "Hey, is that the new Tadao 10bps OLED board?" "I got to get one." You know, what the heck is the use of having electros anymore. Hey, maybe $700 for a cocker is the new thing.

[Phaelynar]

Maybe...Maybe not. It is all supply and demand. I would/have paid that much for a marker that is light, fast, and reliable. I could have 2-3 unreliable markers, but instead I only need one.

You dont have to pay the 40k for the Cadillac. The 10k Geo will get you there. It is all about feel, and performance.

I personally dont care what PSP/ NPPL/ Whatever tournament applies states their ROF is. I dont play in them so it does not matter. Any place I play I can shoot whatever I want. If I want to lay down 30bps I can, and do.

But why pay $1300 for the '09 version that is light, fast, and reliable when you can pay $500-$700 for a one to two year older model that is just as fast, just as reliable, and a few grams heavier?

Comparing a paintball marker to a Cadillac/Geo are not the same. A used Cadillac will not depreciate as fast as a used paintball marker. Also, just because a Cadillac is $40,000, it does not make it more reliable than a car that's $20,000. My fathers '96 Jaguar (new back then) was a piece of junk. His '99 Mercedes ML 320 also gave him headaches. The only cars my family has that hasn't generated any problems is my brothers 2000 pathfinder, my '06 altima, and the new bmw's my mom gets every 4 years when her leases are expired. Also the mint condition '78 corvette stingray my grandmother owns is not problematic either.

Back on topic here...no field I've ever played at allows people to play on full auto. On semi they don't care. However, you can't pull the trigger 30 times in one second, therefore having a loader that can feed that fast is completely pointless. If your field or wherever you play allows you to play on unlimited full auto, and you feel the need to shoot 30bps throughout the day, you must either barely play, barely shoot, or you go through 3000 paintballs every 100 seconds.

[going_home]

I know what they go for. That is still alot for a pump (although I am in the market for one right now.) Get a used one then, I did. You cant go wrong with an S6. My point is to let supply and demand deal with the prices. It always does no matter what forum members opinions are.

Is an Xmag worth 1500...not IMO Agreed
Is an SFL worth 2k. not IMO Agreed
Is a rotating breech worth 220? Absolutely, the demand has proven it to be so.
this is no different than what we do with our kartas, chords, phenoixes, etc
If they can get 7 bills for it I say go ahead. Agreed.

I hope they sell all they make of them. Its good for the sport.
At that price its doubtful they will, but time will tell.

I'm glad to see XT Customs, RPG, Venomous Designs, Pro Team Products, etc. (I left some out but I cant remember who right now) making all the new exciting mag parts. Its great to see people are still interested in mags.
I hope they all sell out of their parts, because #1 its good for the sport, and #2 its good for the mag community.

[MANN]

But why pay $1300 for the '09 version that is light, fast, and reliable when you can pay $500-$700 for a one to two year older model that is just as fast, just as reliable, and a few grams heavier?

I dont buy markers that are released every year (dm, sp, ego, etc). I am talking more on the finer lines of markers. Not the "Agg" ones.

Comparing a paintball marker to a Cadillac/Geo are not the same. A used Cadillac will not depreciate as fast as a used paintball marker.

Find a full milled viking, excal, xmag, SFL, and most custom Emags. All of them are selling what they did new sometimes more, and sometimes slightly lower.

Also, just because a Cadillac is $40,000, it does not make it more reliable than a car that's $20,000.

I was using Cadillac as an example. It is a symbol for quality. A dm would be similar to the jag. Both highly priced. both pieces of junk(relative to other higher quality markers).

If your field or wherever you play allows you to play on unlimited full auto, and you feel the need to shoot 30bps throughout the day, you must either barely play, barely shoot, or you go through 3000 paintballs every 100 seconds.

I own my own woodsball course. (10 acres), A good friend owns his own airball/speedball course, and there are 2 local fields that I play on. All of us agree that you should be able to shoot whatever you want. I am not saying that you need 30bps all day, but there are times when it is fun/exciting. I usually dont take my marker out of semi as it cost too much to go all out all day. I will only use speed (FA)on close friends or relatives who need to be put in place from time to time.

There is a market for fast markers just like there is a market for fast cars. Neither is allowed over their respective limits, but both usually are done so.

[cockerpunk]

both MCB and here, man, really not happy about this.

that kinda dumb, lots of people want guns like this, but when a company steps up and produces it, everyone is hostile to it.

i for like it. im not gonna buy one because i use a merlin as my slide cocker, but i like that the industry is shifting to preference and quality instead of performance.

[trevorjk]

both MCB and here, man, really not happy about this.

that kinda dumb, lots of people want guns like this, but when a company steps up and produces it, everyone is hostile to it.

i for like it. im not gonna buy one because i use a merlin as my slide cocker, but i like that the industry is shifting to preference and quality instead of performance.

the problem with this is, everyone knows the cost of everything in paintball. this gun is clearly $200 over priced. that is what has everyone iffy on this cocker. for $500 i guarantee people would be buying these up. people want it, but not for $700 when it should only realistically cost around $500

[cockerpunk]

the problem with this is, everyone knows the cost of everything in paintball. this gun is clearly $200 over priced. that is what has everyone iffy on this cocker. for $500 i guarantee people would be buying these up. people want it, but not for $700 when it should only realistically cost around $500

who says if its overpriced? the custom/PL cocker marker has not existed for alomst 10 years.

who is to say its overpriced?

[trevorjk]

for parts, labor, and mill time that should only cost around $500ish. your paying $200 for the terrible shocktech name on the side. i personally think its over priced for what performance wise you are getting.

dont get me wrong, im very happy that these are out, and they WILL sell. i just think they made a poor decision on the $700 price tag especially were there self proclaimed financial issues in these tough times

[MAGslinger]

Why did this thread mislead me to believe they were offering SFL Automags?

[BigEvil]

who says if its overpriced? the custom/PL cocker marker has not existed for alomst 10 years.

who is to say its overpriced?

There have been no more PL cockers because no one was buying them anymore. The market was the reason there havent been any in 10 years. The days of the $1000 (or $700 in this case) cocker are long gone.

I cannot see them selling many of those things.

[cockerpunk]

There have been no more PL cockers because no one was buying them anymore. The market was the reason there havent been any in 10 years. The days of the $1000 (or $700 in this case) cocker are long gone.

I cannot see them selling many of those things.

and yet there are $300 mag bodies and milling patterns ...

you can easily build a 700 buck automag, why would cocker fans be any different?

[going_home]

and yet there are $300 mag bodies and milling patterns ...

you can easily build a 700 buck automag, why would cocker fans be any different?

You could be right, time will tell.
But in this economy when the best mech made is at $481.00 it may be a tough sell.
Honestly I hope for the sports sake they do sell.
I'm pretty doubtful though.
Admittedly I am a mag enthusiast not a cocker fan at all.
My only cocker is a pump lol. (S6)

[BigEvil]

and yet there are $300 mag bodies and milling patterns ...

you can easily build a 700 buck automag, why would cocker fans be any different?

Good question. I dont know if I have to correct answer for that. However, it seems to me the high end mags have retained their value, and the demand for them is still somewhat high.

There are also examples of mag parts that sit on shelves and collect dust.

I also think that there were/are a lot more cockers out there, which might have something to do with that. Of course, ultra high end and rare examples of either will always draw a large price tag.

But think about this - recently we bought a used Racegun half block for $600. That is pretty much as high end as you get for a cocker. The example Shocktech is offering pales in comparison, yet is $100 more, and not even ready to shoot out of the box.

[jman511115]

It will sell. There's a much larger following of irrational fanatic cocker owners than irrational fanatic mag owners, but you still see used custom mech mags selling for $500-$600, and Dallara, Karta, and Chord bodies selling for $300-$400. A well tuned slider frame, good pneumatics, a look that replicates the previous SFLs, and low production numbers will sell this gun.

By the way I'm a cocker fan more than a mag fan, but I do have a high end mag. A little biased.

[Dawg047]

I don't know. There are alot of irrational mag users around here. I mean, jeez, Dawg047 has all these Micromags and keeps buying them. I mean, that guy is nuts. I think Shocktech would really profit if they just sold the bodies. Everything else on the gun is still the old school cocker design. I mean, Shocktech Pneumatics and accessories can be had dirt cheap these days on Ebay and such. There is no real innovation besides the body which is almost that same body they had back in what, the early 2000's? It is a very nice gun but I don't see it fetching big money like that. Now, if they were to do something different like make the bolt smaller. Make the lower tube smaller with a smaller yet just as effective hammer. Rework the valve with an all new design that is smaller and 50% more efficient. I could see it fetching those prices. Mags get quite expensive because there are so many different upgrades and just innovative new things coming out. I mean a RT or X valved mag can shoot upwards of 36bps mechanically as apposed to a classic valved mag which can shoot like 13 if maxed out. There are Pneumatic frames, electro frames, this lightened small body, this lightened warped body. The cocker unless Ebladed is just the same cocker from the 90's. The accuracy is great but it still just shoots yay fastt. And, the accuracy part is due 70% or so on paint to barrel match. The quality is top knotch but isn't every custom built cocker top knotch if I put all the best parts on it. I think we buy expensive guns for two reasons. 1) They have some advantage than a lower end gun and will help improve our game. 2)We are obsessed with this particular gun and have to have every one. I don't see the real advantage of this cocker so I would have to say it is for people that have to have it just because they have every prestigous cocker to date. I don't see that many people out there like that but hey, maybe there is. I know I try to buy as many rare and prestigous Mags I can afford so hey. I am just talking about the majority of people in the market. Is there really going to be a market for super high ends in the $700+ range the way the sport is going anyways.? I mean in a year or so, I see everyone shooting 5bps anyway. Are companys going to keep producing $700+ guns to do this? I don't know. Just speculation. Time will tell.