Pneumag Questions

[Mongoose]

I'm sure I could just look this up, but what sort of ROF do you guys get out of your pneumags?

My p-mags are capped by the user...meaning they shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger...i have hit 15+ on mine

[om3n]

My p-mags are capped by the user...meaning they shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger...i have hit 15+ on mine

p-mag? What's that?

[trevorjk]

P = Pnue = Pneumatic

P-Mag = Pneumatic Mag like you are refering to

[om3n]

P = Pnue = Pneumatic

P-Mag = Pneumatic Mag like you are refering to

ah I see

well seeing how there are x-mags, e-mags, ego-mags, spyder-mags, pneumags, and a whole slew of other mags, I didn't know if p-mag meant something totally different Thanks for the clarification

[Spider-TW]

So are they very finicky systems? I would be buying a pneu'd frame (intelliframe), so in case it ever screwed up on me I will always have my stock intelli as a backup.

Would I be better off using the ULT on/off or the RT on/off? I do have both

I don't think they are finicky at all. I was surprised how well it works, even though I would continually rearrange things for years to make it work for me in actual play. I would let my son play test it for me so that I could watch the performance more objectively. He started on a cheap electro and has good coordination between his trigger fingers. I play single frame RT, classic mags and pumps mostly, and never ran an electro before I tried a pneu. My middle finger goes for grip when I get in a hurry.

Pneus are very light on the trigger with almost no feed back. Cyberave's magnet mod kit helps that a lot in case your frame is too light. As you get to your limit on ROF with a pneu, you get more ball collisions where the valve didn't recharge quite enough and the ball goes slow. The next ball comes out at regular speed and catches up to the slow ball (with a good paint explosion). Shooting around 11 bps at the chrony station without trouble is easy. Trying to shoot my way out of a pinch on broken ground is not the time when I want to think about "technique" or which marker I'm carrying.

I still have that pneu, it's just an electro-pneu which compensates for my handicap.

[gunangel]

shorter length barrels will help with the collision and a broken in reg should help solve the fast/slow ball issue very well. it also helps to have as much return tension as you can handle. i find a set of magnets plus a spring or another set of magnets does the trick.

once they are setup they rarely need much maintenance, they get a little bit of oil from when you oil your asa so it should be self maintaining.

[om3n]

Well I bought the pneuframe I was looking at I can't wait to get it!! I'll post here if I have any problems/questions about it when it arrives.


Here is the frame I just bought:

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=242494

[Mongoose]

Looks like you bought one that was built by Cyberave68..............You shouldn't have any problems at all

[chafnerjr]

I don't think they are finicky at all. I was surprised how well it works, even though I would continually rearrange things for years to make it work for me in actual play. I would let my son play test it for me so that I could watch the performance more objectively. He started on a cheap electro and has good coordination between his trigger fingers. I play single frame RT, classic mags and pumps mostly, and never ran an electro before I tried a pneu. My middle finger goes for grip when I get in a hurry.

Pneus are very light on the trigger with almost no feed back. Cyberave's magnet mod kit helps that a lot in case your frame is too light. As you get to your limit on ROF with a pneu, you get more ball collisions where the valve didn't recharge quite enough and the ball goes slow. The next ball comes out at regular speed and catches up to the slow ball (with a good paint explosion). Shooting around 11 bps at the chrony station without trouble is easy. Trying to shoot my way out of a pinch on broken ground is not the time when I want to think about "technique" or which marker I'm carrying.

I still have that pneu, it's just an electro-pneu which compensates for my handicap.

Boy I don't know about any drop off on mine. I had my frame built by cyberave68 last year and I've had that well over 11BPS without any drop at all. It's just like a mech cocker... if you short stroke the three way the your going to have drop. The mag mod helps to eliminate this... but it's mostly down to shooter training as long as you have a nice LPR. (I'm rockin' a brand new AKA SCMIII !!!)

[Spider-TW]

Boy I don't know about any drop off on mine. I had my frame built by cyberave68 last year and I've had that well over 11BPS without any drop at all. It's just like a mech cocker... if you short stroke the three way the your going to have drop. The mag mod helps to eliminate this... but it's mostly down to shooter training as long as you have a nice LPR. (I'm rockin' a brand new AKA SCMIII !!!)

Oh, for sure I didn't mean the limit on ROF from the pneu, I mean your fingers. The drop off I was talking about is from short stroking when your fingers hit their limit. That is the impressive part of a pneu, you're talking about short stroking somewhere above 11 to 15 bps. That's why I put electrical controls in mine, I had done everything mechanically possible and wasn't willing to shoot the marker enough to keep my fingers trained. I had tried an x-valve with RT and ULT on/offs too, and I got tired of seeing my son shoot ropes on the field with my mag. For my electro, I used everything from my original classic pneu setup except for the msv-2 so that I could see the difference. Now when I screw up the trigger pull I just loose a shot.

It's a personal "handicap", but I suspect some people that have not liked their pneu-mags had the same problem. They often blame the mechanics of the setup, but you don't know what kind of fingers you have until you try the raw, unfiltered fire power of a pneu-mag.

[Spider-TW]

Looks like you bought one that was built by Cyberave68..............You shouldn't have any problems at all

Yep.

It is a pretty good indicator when you can spot his handy work from a picture.

[om3n]

Yep.

It is a pretty good indicator when you can spot his handy work from a picture.

lol indeed guys, it was built by cyberave. How can you tell by a picture?? I'm glad you guys approve though

I almost decided on building my own, but since new frames cost so much money and I don't have a drill press at my house, I didn't want to mess up a 115 dollar frame by a mistake I may make

[Spider-TW]

A good pneu frame is mostly about the geometry of the component mounting. Getting a ram to work with an lpr and 3-way is easy, making it clean, fast and comfy is the trick.

Cyberave found his style a while back and you'll see a lot of the same angles, milling, and holes in his frames, especially compared to all of the first-timer frames we AO'ers have built.

[om3n]

Got the pneuframe

So... honestly I'm sort of disappointed :/

When I first got it, the lever that the trigger rod pushes against was totally off center and half the time when I would pull the trigger the rod would come off the lever

So it definitely wasn't in working condition... maybe the previous owner fired it a few times, but there is no way it was playable. So I spent quite a while trying to figure out what I could do to make it work right... and after about an hour of messing with it I decided to put one screw in the thing/valve that the lever is connected too and then swivel it into the correct position, and then hot glue it in place (sorry for my lack of technical terms, and yes hot gluing did work. One day I will do a more permanent attachment, but for now the hot glue seems to work). In fact if it was Cyberave who did this pne-mod, most of the hardware was glued in place anyways. So first of all, what sort of glue do you guys use, if any, for this application?

Also after I got everything connected, I tried to rapid fire and it would chuff like mad. I figured I was starving the gun because of my remote, so I put the tank directly on my gun and the thing fired as fast as I could pull the trigger However, I couldn't walk it for anything. I don't know why, but for some reason I just can't. Maybe I need more practice? I almost think that the trigger pull is SO light that it makes it difficult to walk... so I just readjusted my trigger stops and put a clicky pen spring I cut in between the stop on the back of the trigger and the frame, and that I think will help with the trigger returning fast enough to be walkable.

I will post more later and upload some pictures later

[chafnerjr]

Could you post a picture of the frame? Cyberave mounted everything in my frame by bolting or screwing them down... but I'm sure that various expoxy's or the gel type of superglue would work just fine. That's how I'll be mounting my QEV next week...

Get us a picture and we will probably be able to point to your issue... how much space is there between the trigger and the trigger rod? Is the 3way pushing the trigger out all the way? Perhaps the magmod is your solution?!?!?