Ball chopping...Not what I thought.

[WenULiVeUdiE]

Not only is the video footage amazing but it shows how a ball is actually chopped.

Watch and be amazed.

If the xvalve ever gets a redesign this MUST be taken into consideration...

First, as others have stated, this is not a chop, but the bolt clipping the ball stack. A chop is a result of the bolt moving forward with a ball only partially in the breach and "chopping" it. Clipping, as seen in this video, is very different.

And no, this is not necessary for the redesign of the X-Valve. This is pertinent only because of the breach of an Ego is fairly large when compared to other systems.

[KC]

no, this is not necessary for the redesign of the X-Valve. This is pertinent only because of the breach of an Ego is fairly large when compared to other systems.

qft

[Smoothice]

the breach of an Ego is fairly large when compared to other systems.

yeah? Interesting. I learn something new every day.

[Smoothice]

First, as others have stated, this is not a chop,
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hmm. I didn't really see anybody disputing it..ehh...

[dark blade]

lest just say this from the get go... DONT FIX WHAT ISNT BROKEN... lets make a pact to never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever redesign the x-valve... To me, redesigning the x-valve or level 10 is the equivalent of making the SP magic box. There is nothing you can do to make it better so lets not try to make it worse :)

but on another note... im glad that someone other than me and my buddy from college have realised that barrel breaks dont exist and are admitting it.

[Smoothice]

Let me also say this. I posted this because the vid is awesome. And because I never realized a break of this kind was possible.

Sorry to mention the xvalve. Didn't realize it would hurt anybodies butt

And I have already admitted I was wrong and the level 10 does prevent this from happening.

So read the whole thread before calling me an idiot. And after you read it... then you can call me an idiot...

[Toll]

I just love seeing real information put out rather than hype. "This works" is never quite as good as "this works, here's how"

[GoatBoy]

I'm glad to see that at least one manufacturer has taken up the mantle of doing study and research once again.

Their solution is a little... goofy in my opinion though.

I was going to mention this in another thread (the Impulse one), but the more I watch this video...

The more convinced I am that given the force fed nature of modern loaders, the time is right for the detente and the breach sensor to be integrated. For a vertical feed, the ball drops down into kind of a "catcher's mitt", which also happens to be attached to a switch of some sort. As the ball lowers, the detente's already caught the ball, and when it's reached a safe position the switch engages, and you're ready to shoot.

The whole thing would sit at the bottom of the chamber and obviate the need for eye sensors and assorted Rube Goldberg "innovations" like "magnetic hinged eye covers".

[dark blade]

no offense taken by any of us with the xvalve comment... just want to defend the old man kaye.

Also... i am glad to see people are actually doing research on how to improve markers more now-a-days... unfortunately i think they just need to research how much an xvalved mag costs if they want to improve markers and just start selling those.

but i do agree slightly with the detent idea. However... i feel that if you were to install detents so that they sat right in front and right behind the ball (and slightly above the center line of the ball) then when the ball was pushed into the breech via the loader, the ball would literaly be held in place by the detents.

I think it would be a great idea... but then again thats just me.

[WenULiVeUdiE]

but on another note... im glad that someone other than me and my buddy from college have realised that barrel breaks dont exist and are admitting it.

This video does nothing to prove barrel breaks do not exist. It simply proves the effectiveness of the Cure 3 bolt with fragile paint. If I remember correctly, I remember Simon, the VP of R&D at KEE, has made statements about barrel breaks and their causes.

[dark blade]

This video does nothing to prove barrel breaks do not exist. It simply proves the effectiveness of the Cure 3 bolt with fragile paint. If I remember correctly, I remember Simon, the VP of R&D at KEE, has made statements about barrel breaks and their causes.

but when you click on the video and go to the other videos that are there it shows that barrel breaks are actually proved to be by a sheared ball when feeding... hence what is depicted above.

A chop is when the ball loading the chamber breaks when loading due to the bolt cutting it. A "Barrel break" is when the bolt slices the ball above the one in the chamber and therefore causes paint to shoot out after fired instead of during the load into the breech.

either way though, barrel breaks don't exist, just too high pressured loaders. Lower the bps or tension on the stack and it eliminates all problems

[behemoth]

You mean to tell me its impossible for a ball to break in the middle of a barrel?!

[Indignant]

hmm. I didn't really see anybody disputing it..ehh...

a chop by definition is a ball being hit by the bolt while it is partially in the breach. this is why guns have eyes to sense when the ball is all the way in, why the LvlX bolt is so low pressure in the first stage, etc. this video didn't have a single chop in it, it had some balls being damaged by the bolt while in line and then bursting in the chamber.

[cockerpunk]

i think we are all maybe going to some unjustified extremes.

i think its true that most barrel breaks are caused by pre-damaged paintballs. thats certainly what we observed in our testing, and both simon and jack wood have agreed with that idea.

[Smoothice]

a chop by definition is a ball being hit by the bolt while it is partially in the breach. this is why guns have eyes to sense when the ball is all the way in, why the LvlX bolt is so low pressure in the first stage, etc. this video didn't have a single chop in it, it had some balls being damaged by the bolt while in line and then bursting in the chamber.

Huh? This video showed exactly what your definition of a chop is happening.

A ball partially in the breach getting hit by the bolt. Thats exactly what was happening.