You know what would be the easiest way to save this sport?

[Abizdafuzz]

Make everyone use 12v Revies... end of ROF problems

I'd love that if...they still made high quality Revies.

[Toll]

"The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for
authority, they show disrespect to their elders.... They no longer
rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents,
chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their
legs, and are tyrants over their teachers"

[om3n]

"The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for
authority, they show disrespect to their elders.... They no longer
rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents,
chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their
legs, and are tyrants over their teachers"

While this is true... what does this have to do with this topic? I really am trying to find the connection

[Ravenneon]

Maybe, but the op is claiming he doesn't like how alot of people like to play. I do believe what I have suggested is a reasonable solution to that problem- whether it can be implemented or not or whether the majority of paintball players will like it though is another issue, and your probably right.

I do personally like it occasionally- when I host games at my place, we do often play games where everyone can only use 50 rounds for the whole game. It's actually alot of fun, and the game becomes more about skill than hosing people. Also, guys with electros turn their guns to semi and shoot alot slower and alot less often

But see now...the problem is that most fields, the ones that make money on their paint, depend on these kids with their egos shooting 3 cases of paint an hour. Not saying that its right but its also help with their businesses. Thats why you are seeing more and more fields having stock class only days or mech gun only days to help this issue.

Personally I could care less. The only thing that I dislike is overshooting someone. It doesn't have to take 12balls to various parts of my body to eliminate me. you dont have to have limited paint and a non electro marker to accomplish this. Granted it would make it easier. The person just has to show a little restraint when ripping a string. Instead of 9 balls throw 3 at them instead. if you got a good shot and know ur gonna hit them then just send 1 ball, most people are gonna know the accuracy of their markers. Just my opinion.

[Spazmok]

Maybe, but the op is claiming he doesn't like how alot of people like to play. I do believe what I have suggested is a reasonable solution to that problem- whether it can be implemented or not or whether the majority of paintball players will like it though is another issue, and your probably right.

I do personally like it occasionally- when I host games at my place, we do often play games where everyone can only use 50 rounds for the whole game. It's actually alot of fun, and the game becomes more about skill than hosing people. Also, guys with electros turn their guns to semi and shoot alot slower and alot less often

yeah at my field we often convince the young speedballers to try some limited ammo games. everyone gets three 10 round tubes. its pretty funny to see a youngin' trying to 'quickly' change out one tube for another on an ego. still is just as fun to go out with only a hoppers worth, no pods, especially because even when I have pods it's rare that I need to reload in a game. imo variety in games keeps this sport fun. also simulated night games (indoor speedball with all the lights off, near pitch black!)

[om3n]

A lot of people don't like to play like that. It also doesnt stop someone from getting lit up.

I'd also like to mention this:

Last time I played, it was the first time I was able to get out with my e-mag. Granted it was on mech because my battery was dead, but it was the FIRST time I played with it. There was a party of about 5 young guys on the other team, all renting tippmanns. We were playing on a speedball field. They also had two guys on their team with ego's and a couple other electros- it was 10 on 10.

At the beginning of the game I sprinted for the left snake, but I got hit on my way there. The ref checked me while I was at the beginning of the snake and he called me out. I raised my gun in the air so that it was point straight up my arm's length out of the snake, and my gun got hit twice with nasty thick green paint. I told the ref to tell those kids to stop shooting, but they didn't. I KID YOU NOT, my new e-mag, got shot another 5 or six times with different colors of paint IN THE SIDE from being help up in the air, gesturing that I was out. I got shot 2 times WALKING out of that game. Guess what, those kids were using mech tippmanns, and I got lit up anyways over the course of about 10 seconds. The ref ended up kicking 2 of those kids out after that game.

I agree with the post above me- I think that more control is what will really fix rec games, not necessarily limiting peoples ammo and equipment...

But since people won't ever have self control, I still think ammo limits are the most viable option

[Newt]

Good points there, om3n. It really isn't the equipment that makes a player (good or bad).

This sport is honor based, even in the very highest levels. The only way to "clean it out" will be to change human nature or make reffing more fun.

[SCpoloRicker]

"The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for
authority, they show disrespect to their elders.... They no longer
rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents,
chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their
legs, and are tyrants over their teachers"

Quick Change 12 grams are ruining teh sport!!

/love that quote

While this is true... what does this have to do with this topic? I really am trying to find the connection

Er, pretty much everything.

[kwood]

As for paintball not treating the equipment like guns, it's because they're not. Firearms developed a different way and achieved a level of ergonomics and accuracy. Paintball markers have a hopper, a tank, and virtually zero recoil. The ergonomics just work differently.

i dont think he was talking about the physics of how a real gun shoots compared to how a paintball marker shoots
i think he is talking about responsibility and safety
i am surprised every time when i go to a field when kids will just be shooting off rounds just for fun in the staging areas where people arent wearing masks
i usually get in there face about it too because someone is going to end up with a serious injury with stupidity like that

with real guns, you never point the barrel at anyone even if its not loaded, its just a good practice
i think that should apply to paintball guns to
i dont think the barrel should ever be pointed at someone, unless in a game because you never know if pressure is still in the reg or not

[Old School 626]

We got a problem. Paintball isn't as fun anymore. At least, this is the opinion I'm getting from a lot of the older players.

The main problem? It is too expensive to be shooting 20 balls per second, and it is too painful to be shot by 20 balls a second. This isn't a sport with "guns" anymore, this is a sport with hoses.

So, what's the easiest solution, that each gun could be fixed for around 100 dollars?

Let's go back to single trigger frames.

Double trigger frames first came about because it was difficult to pull mech triggers. Now they're used to fan like crazy. Hell, people don't even hold or treat this thing like a "gun" anymore.

With a single trigger frame, at the very minimum for electronics, this would level the playing field, slow down the game a bit, and bring back fun.

Thoughts?

Hal, you're almost 20 years late on this one. The same "issue" is what made me take a break back in 93' until almost '05. The "trigger tugging" competition that the game had become just was not fun. I played a lot of stock class and pump instead and then none at all. Today, I just like to play with friends or like minded people like AO.

[Danimal82]

I honestly think the best way to play paintball is with a private group. My family and friends get together several times a year to play. Arguments are rare and only one guy is notorious for overshooting. I usually gun for him first. It seems like every year we add a couple people to the ritual. Its much easier to introduce a new player to the fun when they don't have to worry about someone hosing them down in the first 5 minutes. You always remember that insane 50 yard goggle shot through heavy woods, or the "golden bb" that somehow wrapped around the bunker.

[lil'Greg]

we dont generally get these sort of problems here (Australia) due to the simple fact that paintball markers are considered firearms here. Which for us means we have to obtain a weapons licence and sit firearms safety courses. The amount of hassle we have to go to just to allowed to legally own a paintball marker usually weeds out all of the hot heads.

from what you have all said its not the equipments fault that you get overshot. Do you blame the firearm in a Homicide or do you blame the person? what you need to stop this is a cultural change, people attidudes is what needs to be addressed here, not the markers themselves.

all i am saying is its easy to blame an inanimate object as it cant fight back, trying to change the way some one thinks in this day and age....... GOOD LUCK

[drg]

Pump. "Problem" solved.

[druid]

There was a time....way back when the 68 Magnum was old and the Autococker still new....when we said the same thing.

and we were ignored.

We fight to this day...."bps isn't a tactic"

and we are still ignored.

We hear people whine that [as walk-ons] "the pump and pistol guys are eliminated too quickly because they have no 'fight' one ball at a time"

...and we ignore them.

The REAL reason paintball isn't fun anymore is because no one treats it as a game. It's "all about the win" and at "whatever the cost."

Now add cheating into the mix.

[vf-xx]

"Conform. Consume. Obey."