Interesting design. Basically a Mag valve, an Emag trigger system and no sear. Wonder how well it dose as far as shot count and rof (how fast can it recharge). A bit too milsim for me, but it may a decient design. I really want to know how the whole searless bit works, and how well.
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1) with the sear less design (interpreted by me as the on/off is actuated only by an upward firing solenoid), how exactly does "mechanical mode" work if there is no electricity to fire the solenoid? Is there something I'm missing looking at the pictures?
2) without a sear holding the bolt back when at rest, what is going to happen as the return spring for the bolt wears/starts losing tension, as it is the only thing keeping the bolt in place?Comment
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no.Originally posted by maniacmechanic
Teflon Infused Anodized Aluminum.
basically an aluminum valve with a Teflon electroplated on to it.
like a T-Fal frying pan.Comment
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Originally posted by ChromeAt the risk of sounding ignorant (), two questions:
1) with the sear less design (interpreted by me as the on/off is actuated only by an upward firing solenoid), how exactly does "mechanical mode" work if there is no electricity to fire the solenoid? Is there something I'm missing looking at the pictures?
2) without a sear holding the bolt back when at rest, what is going to happen as the return spring for the bolt wears/starts losing tension, as it is the only thing keeping the bolt in place?
1) Not sure how it works, but I would imagine that it could be easily done with the trigger pushing on a rod, trigger only has to push the "plunger" up, heck when you flip it to mech mode the trigger could simply directly push on the plunger which would push the on/off up, I believe the on/off is pushed back down with air pressure.
2) I believe nothing will happen. The spring only returns the bolt, when it does so there is no gas pushing against the bolt for the spring to overcome. Just needs to be strong enough to push back the bolt only.
It is not exactly like an automag. The automag chamber is always pressurized like a champagne bottle and the bolt is the cork, the sear holds it back. The chamber pressure is always pushing against the bolt. It is why the automag needs a sear.
The Phenom appears to keep the chamber empty while the bolt is at rest. When the trigger is pulled the chamber fills and pushes the bolt forward, ball is fired and the chamber is empty and does not fill back up. The chamber is empty and the spring pushes the bolt back with no air resistance from the empty chamber.
Price of the Phenom is 399.99Comment
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Not to sound rude, but you could get the real thing for about that price.
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At $400 the phenom is cheaper than the mech automags that AGD is still selling, and it's a hell of a lot cheaper than emags were. I kind of want one to mess around with.Originally posted by NewtNot to sound rude, but you could get the real thing for about that price.Comment
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Mind you, the "double the number of shots" and more accurate claims are not based on a comparison with the Mag, which Tippmann is pretending the Phenom isn't at all related to, but in comparison to the X7.
Tippmanns rough pot metal blow forward design isn't remarkably noted for its accuracy and its efficiency is just supposedly average (*) though my personal experiences using a 98 for 4 years and an a-5 for three argue with that. Just not having a d-cell battery size chunk of metal slamming forward at the first stages of every shot would practically halve the x-7s shot groups.
Frankly the only thing I want to know is where the gases for the Cyclone are being siphoned off of. I'd love to find a way to fit a Cyclone to a Mag without killing my efficiency, I loved the Cyclone and its battery-less ways, its the only reason I hung on to the A-5 as long as I did.
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Although I think this is somewhat a
thing to do by tippman, and honestly won't ever compare to the real thing, I am curious to see if you could get a similar mod on an automag so that you could make a cyclone work with the xvalve.
I'm not an engineer or an airsmith. Anyone think they could do this?Comment
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Search feature. I know of at least 1 that's been done, and there are many threads.Originally posted by CatoRockwellComment
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Looks like someone managed it - this guy was at the same scenario game as me at the weekend, but I didn't realise he was running an E-Mag until I saw the event photos
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That looks like a BT Rip Clip (notice the rip drive nob on the bottom of the body above his trigger finger) and the green diamond is a painted over BT jewel on the body of the Rip Clip mounted on a Warp Right E-TAC,,, not a cyclone... Nice E-Tac :) set-up...
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It's all good BrotherOriginally posted by Gadget,,, but a nice find none the less...
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If I am not mistaken on the video they said it is a spool valve or am I wrong. Also aren't spool valve problematic. I am sure some of us used to use tippmans before and I had issues with them, so who know what is going to happen when this is released. I would rather shoot a mag any day of the week
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Its the HES, Hall effect sensor. AGD has PAF patent applied for or PP patent pending on that.Originally posted by pinkanese
Thats two that are useing it now, the Mini and the Phenom.
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