Tippmann X-7 Phenom aka New Cheap E-Mag

[gunman_2000]

but knowing the issue that caused trouble for the emag in the first place, I would like to think AGD wouldn't be too bothered as long as they were asked? Isnt that the kind of thing we like to see around here? A helping hand in the sport when someone has an idea.

This could have the potential to boost interest in Mags in general, if these are such a hit, and people look into the history of it, more people might try picking up a Mag.

[Beemer]

Isnt that the kind of thing we like to see around here? A helping hand in the sport when someone has an idea

Yup thats how it WAS, just some got off the boat and wanted more of the Pie.

I started my own thread so this one dont get jacked. :)

[LK-13]

Yup thats how it WAS, just some got off the boat and wanted more of the Pie.

I started my own thread so this one dont get jacked. :)

i was wondering just how much of the AGD IP was Patented and how much was public domain.

now when one holds a patent, you can choose to enforce it or not, give permission to use the IP
or sell license;

so with the ill will the SP created by their own actions;
giving permission to use given IP that will cost SP sales at a time when the SP sales
are shrinking could and might just hurt them more than any legal battle ever could.

Tippmann has a devout following.
Once agg-letts start getting spanked by a Tippmann gun/marker, and it's not break the bank over the top priced...

this might just be a bit of a renaissance for paintball as we come out of a "Dark age"

[smeek]

If I am not mistaken on the video they said it is a spool valve or am I wrong. Also aren't spool valve problematic. I am sure some of us used to use tippmans before and I had issues with them, so who know what is going to happen when this is released. I would rather shoot a mag any day of the week

I have to chime in on this. Tippmanns are not problematic in the least, if they were they wouldn't be one of the most common field rental gun. The Model 98 series is like the energizer bunny of paintball, simple and reliable they just keep on going.

Any issues I had with my tippmann were user caused, nothing I could ever blame on the marker.

Spool valve's require more mantenance and have more nonstatic orings than most other markers, that's where the problems pop up. The mini is considered a spool valve and I wouldn't consider it problematic unless you have one of the first gen poppets that likes to leak or you don't properly lube the bolt. Any gun will give you issues if you don't maintain it properly and that's where most problems come from.

Tippmanns are built like tanks though, you might have had a lemon or inherited someone else's problems but if tippmanns were problematic field owners wouldn't keep them as their main staple rental guns.

[WickedKlown2]

Here's a review thread that my Team has started about the new Tippmann x7 Phenom Marker on the Hellions Forum...

Review: Tippmann X7 Phenom - Hellions.net/Warzone - Tippmann x7 Phenom Review

I'm so glad that we can finally talk about this outstanding marker ,,, the silence has been killing me... Yes there are members of the Hellions that own both E-Tacs and Mags...

WK2

[xX TANK Xx]

It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. I had an e-grip X7 a while back and after I polished the internals, added new feed paddles, and upgraded barrel it shot very nice. I imagine with it being electro pneumatic that polishing internals won't be needed......just a guess. Personally, I think I'd rather put a warpfeed left body on my classic and run a qloader system for a woodsball setup. The phenom looks to come in at a good price point though at $399, same price as the old e-grip. Call me old fashioned but I've fallen in love with mech mags.

[SSP REAPER]

Looks like someone managed it - this guy was at the same scenario game as me at the weekend, but I didn't realise he was running an E-Mag until I saw the event photos

That is Gommie404, he's a regular here :) and I currently own that CNC battery pack (camo paint and all)

[CatoRockwell]

First off, there was a comment earlier about spool valves being problematic. If I am not mistaken, I do believe that the automag valves ARE spool valves, unbalanced spool valves, and I'd say my automag is the most reliable gun I've owned, over every tippmann I've owned as well.

Secondly, I've read a bit into it and it seems that the built in reg is kind of a joke, http://www.network54.com/Forum/9013/...+on+the+new+X7

apparently "The "regulator" at the back does not regulate air pressure like an Automag. It merely volumizes the dump chamber at a fixed time period after the air has been introduced. Since changes in input pressure change this period, it has the effect of maintaining velocity based on input pressure. This is unlike an Automag that regulates air pressure in the dump chamber prior to a shot."

I've got a funny feeling that I'm going to be converting alot of local tippmann players to the gospel of AGD, once they try it out, get a taste of what could be, and then I let them shoot my tac one to show them what could be.

[snoopay700]

What i find hilarious is that it took the competition nearly 10 years to come out with an elector/mech design after the emag. It also took a long time for any other spool valved blow forward gun to appear. It seems that it's just another case of a company taking ideas from AGD without credit, and also another example of AGD being well ahead of the times.

[pinkanese]

What i find hilarious is that it took the competition nearly 10 years to come out with an elector/mech design after the emag. It also took a long time for any other spool valved blow forward gun to appear. It seems that it's just another case of a company taking ideas from AGD without credit, and also another example of AGD being well ahead of the times.

What started this is when AGD gave permission to tippman and tiberius to make theri pistols. So tippman figures they will just use teh valve design in a full size marker too. Not to mention the fact that the patent on the mag's valve design is about to expire.

[CatoRockwell]

What started this is when AGD gave permission to tippman and tiberius to make theri pistols. So tippman figures they will just use teh valve design in a full size marker too. Not to mention the fact that the patent on the mag's valve design is about to expire.

Really? I thought the patent law for mechanical devices was longer. that sucks. Well TK it's time to show us what you've been cooking. Take it to the next level.

One question: I got into mags more recently, and I've converted my close friends in the meantime, but I've read a bit about the lawsuit SP did to lay claim on the electro.

My question is if they pay royalty rights, why can't AGD do electro markers just like everyone else?

EDIT: I hope AGD is getting royalties off of those pistols, they sell like mad. I know that AGD believes in a time when paintball was an open forum of ideas, but that time is long past and you can bet your booty that if AGD suddenly started putting cyclone feeds on their markers or making first strike kits, that Tippmann and Tiberius would make sure they got a piece of the pie.

[pinkanese]

As far as i know, and can find on the interwebs, patents last for 17 years, and the first mags came out in 1990 or so, i am not sure when exactly the patent was issued though.

And the reason AGD didn't just pay the royalties is because they are AGD, they don't do sissy **** like pay off the bullies, same reason AKA didn't pay.

And I doubt anyone besides those involved know if AGD/Tom are getting paid anything by Tib or Tippman.

[CatoRockwell]

As far as i know, and can find on the interwebs, patents last for 17 years, and the first mags came out in 1990 or so, i am not sure when exactly the patent was issued though.

And the reason AGD didn't just pay the royalties is because they are AGD, they don't do sissy **** like pay off the bullies, same reason AKA didn't pay.

And I doubt anyone besides those involved know if AGD/Tom are getting paid anything by Tib or Tippman.

I didn't think of it that way. I just thought: man it would be great if AGD started coming out with new automags. I know there's alot of custom work you can have done, but you can't get much advertising work done that way.

I mean, I hate those tards at SP just as much as anyone, but I hate seeing AGD grind to a halt. I got into mags because they are the best damn marker's out there. After reading TK's post about the overnight air compressor, I got to thinking that it would be awesome if AGD started releasing new innovative products again. I mean don't get me wrong, the xvalve & level 10 is some pretty innovative shiz, but I can only imagine what would have been the next leap made by AGD if the whole lawsuit debacle hadn't occured.

[MKing]

I too wish this would in some way inspire AGD to release a new emag (or just sell new lowers) but the chances of that are pretty much zero.
The phenom though does look like an excellent marker and I am glad that a solid company like Tippmann is taking the design forward.
If nothing else, this gives us mag owners a nice conversation point with Tippmann owners. We can show them the history of where their gun cam from.

[Frizzle Fry]

As far as i know, and can find on the interwebs, patents last for 17 years, and the first mags came out in 1990 or so, i am not sure when exactly the patent was issued though.

I believe the first "automag" was the Panther (licensed by Tom to another company) in 1987 but it didn't go into full production... The "Automag" as we know it was released in 1989 and was common on fields (at least here in New England) within just a bit more than a year.