Why no shorter aftermarket bodies?

[OPBN]

I did a poll for EP frames,... and the 45 frame won out on 2 different forums.

So the 45 frame will be the only Rye bread offered

I think what hes saying (and what I was saying) was that the guys that are small time and doing small runs,.. having to not make something EVERYONE wants (or the majority)will be very costly.

So you are correct,.. there is only one choice, But the choice was made by majority interest to avoid not selling the product off and cover the financial start up cost.

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I really wasn't adressing frames, honestly, I am pretty happy with the choices that seem to be out there. It just seems that the E-length has somewhat become the standard, and I was curious if any actual polling or discussion was done in regards to this, or was it assumed that this was the preferred length? I was just wondering if the statement that the longer length was in more demand factual or assumptive? In the end I guess it really isn't a huge deal. Not many seem to be stepping up and adding that they prefer the shorter length, so maybe we are in fact a minority.

[p8ntbal4me]

so maybe we are in fact a minority.

I kinda feel this way about the guys like Going_Home whom love the reverse valves....

From where I sit,.. making a body to look the same on both sides (Im a Type A personality)
is a good thing. Making something functional for a niche of less than 95% of AGD owners out there is not. Im looking at that purely from a cost stand point.

Let me ask you this,.. a new frame,... to get around the whole "too short for big hands" problem in the trigger guard,... I thought maybe a integrated ASA like Pneumagger designed would solve the issue.

Would you buy such a frame if your ability to use a stock or custom ASA that mounts to the rail was taken away from you?

I can see you get the point of the problem... so what about the solution? What are YOU thinking is needed to please everyone else not on the full length side?

[p8ntbal4me]

I really wasn't adressing frames, honestly, I am pretty happy with the choices that seem to be out there. It just seems that the E-length has somewhat become the standard, and I was curious if any actual polling or discussion was done in regards to this, or was it assumed that this was the preferred length?

From a design stand point... full length = less issues.

Shorter rails and bodies means more design cost just due to the loss of space to work with. More metal is more costly machine time for sure,.. but you almost eliminate the cost there when you can do more with a larger platform.

The Logic EM Ripper frame is a good example. Nice frame,.. but cant fit an AM rail with a grip.
Coolhand had to take out the use of a twist lock barrel system and the large trigger guard meant that the AM rail with fore grip was a no go.

Probably no poll that I can remember seeing to ask such a simple question.

Its a logical one though,...

[OPBN]

Let me ask you this,.. a new frame,... to get around the whole "too short for big hands" problem in the trigger guard,... I thought maybe a integrated ASA like Pneumagger designed would solve the issue.

Would you buy such a frame if your ability to use a stock or custom ASA that mounts to the rail was taken away from you?

I would be totally cool with that. I think though, some sort of system where the ASA slides onto the frame similiar to how a E-mag battery slips onto the E-frame would be neat as well. While I actually like the idea of an integrated ASA, I can also see an issue though for individuals that prefer an angled ASA, and they would want the ability to have one. But I like the idea of an integrated ASA. I think it would look very clean.

[p8ntbal4me]

I would be totally cool with that. I think though, some sort of system where the ASA slides onto the frame similiar to how a E-mag battery slips onto the E-frame would be neat as well. While I actually like the idea of an integrated ASA, I can also see an issue though for individuals that prefer an angled ASA, and they would want the ability to have one. But I like the idea of an integrated ASA. I think it would look very clean.

The only other work around I could see at this point,.. would be to have the fore grip angle out then drop vertical like the SP NXT Shocker LPR does.

That would be difficult to match every rail front,... but it would clear the trigger guard altogether.

[p8ntbal4me]

I like the idea of an integrated ASA. I think it would look very clean.

I will have to talk to Pneumagger,.. see if he would let me use the design.

[TwilightG]

I will have to talk to Pneumagger,.. see if he would let me use the design.

As much as I love the integrated asa idea, there was still a lack of consensus when pneumagger tried to take a poll of which style to use. (vert, angled forward, angled backward)

It's too bad because it really was a great idea and could make the mag's lines look a lot smoother.
Rail, frame, asa all one piece.. throw a tube-style body on top and you have something simple but yet refined without looking like a bunch of parts bolted together.

Hopefully you can get something going with it

[OPBN]

The only other work around I could see at this point,.. would be to have the fore grip angle out then drop vertical like the SP NXT Shocker LPR does.

That would be difficult to match every rail front,... but it would clear the trigger guard altogether.

It would allow for an optional angled asa though, or are you saing making it one solid grip? Would love to see some sketches of the idea.

[TwilightG]

Here's pnuemagger's threads on this concept:

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=236717

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=237890

[OPBN]

Here's pnuemagger's threads on this concept:

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=236717

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=237890

Pneumaggers was for an integrated rail though as well. I am measuring from the front of an intelliframe to the front of both an AM/MM rail and current RTP short rail and coming up with 1.25inches. Maybe I don't understand the geometry of frames, but how much bigger does it have to be? Even the chimera, I am measuring is about the same.

[SockMonkey]

Thats awesome. I REALLY like the idea of the all in one. I would either want a vert or some angle out, not negative towards the trigger.

If something like that was available I would do what ever I had to to get one..

[Mongoose]

Thats awesome. I REALLY like the idea of the all in one. I would either want a vert or some angle out, not negative towards the trigger.

If something like that was available I would do what ever I had to to get one..

Well your gonna like what we have in the works

[SockMonkey]

Well your gonna like what we have in the works

great, now im all anxious and excited..

But yeah, I totally agree with Twilight. Yeah it makes it a little less "customizable" because you cant use this rail, and that frame, with this asa or foregrip, etc... But I think it would be awesome..

[CatoRockwell]

Wow I like that!

Keep us updated Mongoose. I've always liked your stuff, just haven't had the money to do another mag project just yet.

[KillerOfGiants]

Going vertical on the integrated ASA would cover all your bases. Much like the full length RT rails. More people like RT length than AM/MM and more people would be happier with vertical ASA than angled. Although I'm in the search for a couple 15* vert ASA's but I would lean them towards the trigger, not away, much like the Karnivor. If they did do angled and vertical integrated ASA's maybe they could do a preorder but have say, 10 15* away's/10 15* toward's & 20 verticals? Just a thought.