Integrated Rail Gripframe?

[Ando]

The cap valve is retarded when there's aluminum backs you can put on which makes the weight savings nil. Less even when you start adding all the BS regulator etc... to the front of the marker.

[OPBN]

Having issues with photobucket, but here are some numbers:

Setup 1: Xvalve, ULE body, Chimera frame, UL rail, RTP vert ASA, Bike grip = 24.50oz.

Setup 2: Xvalve with reg removed, Cap, Chimera Frame, UL rail, RTP vert ASA, AKA Sidewinder reg = 20.95oz.

AKA sidewinders are good regs right?

[BigEvil]

Having issues with photobucket, but here are some numbers:

Setup 1: Xvalve, ULE body, Chimera frame, UL rail, RTP vert ASA, Bike grip = 24.50oz.

Setup 2: Xvalve with reg removed, Cap, Chimera Frame, UL rail, RTP vert ASA, AKA Sidewinder reg = 20.95oz.

AKA sidewinders are good regs right?

You do know that by 'capping' the back of an Xvalve, you are basically turning it into an A.I.R. valve?

[OPBN]

You do know that by 'capping' the back of an Xvalve, you are basically turning it into an A.I.R. valve?

OK? So I lose the RT effect? If its electro that shouldnt be a problem right?

[Ando]

I don't need to have a vert asa, bike grip, 2 macro fitting and extra line to shot that mag.

Factor that into your oz for oz comparison...

Really????

We really fighting over oz?

I really don't see how a RT valve would work without the back

[OPBN]

I don't need to have a vert asa, bike grip and 2 macro fitting and extra line to shot that mag.

Factor that into your oz for oz comparison...

Really????

We really fighting over oz?


I really don't see how a RT valve would work without the back

Not sure why you're getting so hated over this. The picture showed a foregrip that I assuemed is aluminum with two macro fittings. I was simply trying to do a fair comparison. Sure, you could run a DW carbon fiber forerip with an Xvalve and it would be lighter than a capped valve setup with a reg, but personally I like gas thrus. Figured since I have to have a foregrip anyways, it might as well double for something.

Capping an X is actually harder apparently, its why I am trying to find someone willing to mill a few classic style valve bodies from aluminum. No one seems to be able to give me a number so its probably never going to happen.

[Ando]

No one's getting hated

I'm just showing how a cap valve has no advantage over a non capped one. Weight or function wise...

[BigEvil]

The forgrip is removable and just there to make the picture purdy

[OPBN]

Guess I took you calling me retarded the wrong way. Not sure why, but I just really like the idea of capped valve. Looks cleaner IMO.

[Ando]

Guess I took you calling me retarded the wrong way. Not sure why, but I just really like the idea of capped valve. Looks cleaner IMO.

Lol..You'll know when I call you (personally) retarded.

The Idea of it is cool as in "another way to mod a mag" but using it as a wight saver or better functioning. I would have to call shenanigans!!!

[Flatliner333]

Very nice , is that a removable breach with options like an XMag or does it spin like the Micro Mag breach. I dont gues it will have BB eyes...who needs um anyways.

[BigEvil]

Very nice , is that a removable breach with options like an XMag or does it spin like the Micro Mag breach. I dont gues it will have BB eyes...who needs um anyways.

No, its just the way the software renders the transition from round to square, and it is on a weird angle so it looks funny.

[Carnage reigns]

Lol..You'll know when I call you (personally) retarded.

Thle Idea of it is cool as in "another way to mod a mag" but using it as a weight saver or better functioning. I would have to call shenanigans!!!

I would think it would save some weight. (Reg on X-valve + Foregrip) - Foregrip mounted reg = Weight Savings.

[GoatBoy]

Some of us don't need the RT.

On the other hand, I like having a CO2 tolerant regulator up front.

Capping the back would potentially shorten the backside of the gun up, for those of us who tend to hold our guns up to our faces.

And I think the weight savings would be pretty decent considering an aluminum cap by itself should weigh much less than a full aluminum housing which includes 2 steel springs, velocity adjuster, and a regulator nut.


I mean I can go measure the back half of an X-valve reg if you really don't believe it.

[OPBN]

I would think it would save some weight. (Reg on X-valve + Foregrip) - Foregrip mounted reg = Weight Savings.

If you look at my example above, it does. Granted, it's only 3.5 oz, but it's actually a 14.5% weight reduction. Personally, I would love to shave off 14.5% of my weght.