Some People Never Learn

[knownothingmags]

Lol. Check it before you get too far into the project. Idk how many actually had problems, I got lost in that mammoth thread. The first thing is making sure the valve and bolt will fit in the body. Another was to make sure the bolt spring has enough space to move. IIRC, they opted for the 7000 series aluminum to preclude the need for a body washer (for the bolt spring to push against). Keeping that wall thickness seems to have tripped them up at least a few times.

no washer is still used, they just dont press fit them anymore.
it would be stupid to let steel spring continously repeat an action on aluminum.

[knownothingmags]

And here I was thinking I was lucky to get in on the original sale of them. I was able to take someones place who had to give up their slot. The MM 2k9 has been in storage ever since due to my work related travelling... suppose I could stick my pneu frame and valve on there for testing...

the three i have had/have worked fine, two i have sold and i still have a boss dustblack one.

[Drix]

What bonus sticker? I didn't get any! LOL

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Am I the only one?

[Bunny]

MAGgot: I felt like the thread had more information than just the eMicro in question from the OP. First and foremost.... Pro Team actually swapped the broken eMicro for a Tequila fade Emag. It sucks that they had to do it, but they did the right thing in the end. So kudos to them. The reason why I posted the thread was..

MicroMags just have sloppy tolerances. I don't like the Benchmark frames that come with them and I don't like the way the body is designed. Almost every Mag I worked on was a PTP MicroMag. We had one MicroMag RT that needed a .765" pin because it was too reactive with any pin that was shorter. This was more than likely due to bad tolerances in the mainbody. They can be okay guns, but I'd much rather have to work on an AGD product.

As soon as I saw the 2k9 issues I immediately thought of this thread. I remember reading it and was shocked that two knowledgable technicians said the same thing about the tolerances of a micromag. Since I live in the archives of AO, its hard to compare 2013 to 2001. It is second nature for you guys to troubleshoot the issue now, but back 10+ years ago people didn't know what was going on.

O ya, it also doesn't help that there are MicroMag knockoffs still floating around...

I would love to outline my thoughts on the issues of Micromag tolerances, eMicro on/off pins sears BODY SPACERS, the 2k9ish mag , and the great recall of 2013, but there seems to be a lot of MicroMag fanatics on the forum right now

[wetwrks]

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Am I the only one?

You must be because I didn't get any.

[Spider-TW]

no washer is still used, they just dont press fit them anymore.
it would be stupid to let steel spring continously repeat an action on aluminum.

Which they figured out after shipping...

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?259047-2009-PTP-Micromag-Repair-Thread-PTP-Washer-Insert

So, RehKal, check if you have one, as it is probably needed.

[BigEvil]

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Am I the only one?

I got one from Tracy at one of the Tunaballs... its on my AGD parts box.

[RehKal]

Which they figured out after shipping...

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?259047-2009-PTP-Micromag-Repair-Thread-PTP-Washer-Insert

So, RehKal, check if you have one, as it is probably needed.

Hmm, this will be a problem as I want to get the body annodized once I get all the parts to build it. I highly doubt I have the steel washer as mine was on the original order...

[Drix]

Hmm, this will be a problem as I want to get the body annodized once I get all the parts to build it. I highly doubt I have the steel washer as mine was on the original order...

There was a lengthy period that they were giving these out for free- You might have to pay shipping now but I suspect that PTP has a drawer full of them handy someplace, get in contact here to see if they are still available. I see this problem as OUR fault or RRFireblade's, and here's why: We, as orderers, had the ability to design this thing and push the boundary before the pre order. As a community we decided that the 7k aluminum was strong enough to handle the impact forces of the bolt and therefore asked for a non-washer body. This issue should have shown up with RRFireblade when he did the testing looking for mushrooming of the breech, however, as we've noticed this problem seems to be intermittent and spring dependent (he may not have had the correct spring) and/or he may just have not tested it as much as we all presume. Either way, this failure point was what we told them we wanted, not what they decided to give us. I commend them for giving free washers.

[Redic]

Well PTP should get out and stay out of the paintball industry

Sad to see they screwed over more players

[Drix]

Well PTP should get out and stay out of the paintball industry

I could not disagree more. My visit to PTP was an amazing experience and really hit home about how much Forrest and Tracy are dedicated to the sport. IMO, they've forgotten how to work with paintball players in lieu of their bigger and more lucrative government contracts. If I were them I'd build a working prototype first, and say "This is what you're going to have" and leave it like that instead of re-designing on the fly.

[Cokrkilr]

I feel this lies in the designers hands. Not the manufacturer. Yes, lightweight is nice, but really? That one extra pass of the mill for .000xx weight savings was the difference between a failure and a success.

The guy milling them is just doing what he's told to pay his bills. Sure a QC check would be nice. But if I came to you and said, "mill these exactly like this" and I were a paying customer with thousands in other peoples money... would you do it? Yes

Sure ptp may do something to save their name in this deal, but I feel it isn't their fault and it should come at the cost of the designer... not a company just because they are big and powerful.

But I guess that's why jobs like this go to the big dogs, they have the means to correct a multi unit screw up....

[zondo]

I don't think any of the milling was done for weight savings... in fact, they left plenty of meat on there to get them milled with some nice cuts and designs, but no one has taken that plunge yet.

I'm still eagerly awaiting the fix for the velocity issue.

[Cokrkilr]

I think you are talking about the micromag and I'm talking about this cocker issue...

[Fred]

Calling a cocker body complete with backblock and full tube enclosure, not to mention full length, cut for weight savings is a laugh.

Its sloppy, clearly wasn't tested well, and again - like the MM2k9 - is a design that is lacking in the complete thought department.

If the issue is only because the feednecks weren't centered... um. seriously? Blaming 1 failure on another as justification and/or explanation?

Gimme my original AGD spec parts any day over anything from PTP.