The trouble with Pump Mags (as I see it)

[Patron God of Pirates]

Too many steps. First you track down and buy a kit, then you have your rail milled, then you have your body milled. Each step adds time and money.

This next part I say with some reservation. As an indy game maker and an active member of those communities I often see people pop up and say "I have a great idea, will somebody (who has dedicated years and invested their own money to learn how) code it for me!?". It happens with whack-a-mole frequency. So I understand when I suggest this that the custom fabrication folks here on AO have their hands full with their own ideas careers and families already. But if anyone does have the time, and there is enough interest, I would love to see a built to purpose pump body/rail/kit.

I have a few thoughts about how this could be done while keeping cost down, but I'm sure the pro's know better than I. Would anyone else like to see this?

[need4reebs]

thats a good idea man! it would probably take alot of people being interested for someone to think it was worth their time to make one? with all the interest in pump kits right now you would think that would be a top of the list project for the people with the machines, but no luck there so far?

lets hear your thoughts man???

[Patron God of Pirates]

lets hear your thoughts man???

The big one is to mill the pump portion and the rail out of a single inline piece of AL. You could then just cut the "front" off and make the needed changes to mount the pump rod, spring etc. You could also mill holes in the front so that any standard foregrip could be mounted to it. That would give people tons of options for "pump handles". You would have to shave 1/16" or so off the top of the "front" so it didn't touch the body. Seems like this method would save lots of time in design and machine time.

[need4reebs]

The big one is to mill the pump portion and the rail out of a single inline piece of AL. You could then just cut the "front" off and make the needed changes to mount the pump rod, spring etc. You could also mill holes in the front so that any standard foregrip could be mounted to it. That would give people tons of options for "pump handles". You would have to shave 1/16" or so off the top of the "front" so it didn't touch the body. Seems like this method would save lots of time in design and machine time.

very nice! that would be pretty Sa WeeT! you should post a pic/drawing if you are able to...either way thats a nice lil idea...that could also be made AM/MM or RT/E-Mag length if it was done this way right? that would be a whole lotta options for everyone, seeing how some people like E-Mag/RTP length set ups and some people like AM/MM length set ups.

[Patron God of Pirates]

This is a rough (no dimensions considered) of what I had in mind. Hopefully it makes sense.pump.png

[need4reebs]

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very nice...how do you make drawings like that?

[going_home]

Every time I ever handed anyone a pump mag the first thing they did was jerk the pump handle off pulling it forward after cocking it.

[captian pinky]

Every time I ever handed anyone a pump mag the first thing they did was jerk the pump handle off pulling it forward after cocking it.

willing to bet you had a first gen rainman kit.i never had that issue i had a later version

[going_home]

willing to bet you had a first gen rainman kit.i never had that issue i had a later version

Yep.

[Nobody]

the main problem, and this isn't just for pump kits is, people will always say they want them, but when product comes(and it isn't just for pre-orders) the people that said they want it, never pony up the cash.

having the rail, body, and the kit already also has the counter-effect of people wanting to customize the parts/gun. for years, the Mag community had nothing but Eclipse kits to change the look of the gun. now, with many different bodies, and many different options, some might not like that you have this rail with this body.

[GoatBoy]

You could just design it into a 3d printed rail and use off-the shelf parts for the rest (like say a nice, real linear bearing). I've grown quite fond of using an AFG as a pump handle on my Trracer.

There's no way around having to get the body milled though. That in my opinion is the worst part of all of this and is the biggest blocker.

[halB]

Question: What's so complicated about the rail? Can't you just do it with a dremel?

[GoatBoy]

Question: What's so complicated about the rail? Can't you just do it with a dremel?

The bolt end of the milling has kind of a ramp to it if I'm reading the ... picture properly. I'm guessing it's to guide the rod up so that it can actually catch the bolt. If you can do that accurately with a Dremel, awesome.

I've never personally held a pump kit so I'm guessing.

[steve_81]

thats a good idea man! it would probably take alot of people being interested for someone to think it was worth their time to make one? with all the interest in pump kits right now you would think that would be a top of the list project for the people with the machines, but no luck there so far?

lets hear your thoughts man???

We should start an indiegogo.com campaign to raise the funds to have a batch of pump kits produced. It worked for updating AO...

[luke]

Patience guys, I will be doing these, no need to start a campaign.
I'm in the middle of a project "everyone" (All 3 of you, lol) wanted awhile back. I've just started looking into pump kits.