The trouble with Pump Mags (as I see it)

[need4reebs]

hells yeah start tha campaign...there are a bunch of people looking for a Mag pump kit!

hey Luke i thought you were working on a pump kit awhile ago???

[Patron God of Pirates]

very nice...how do you make drawings like that?

Adobe Illustrator.

Patience guys, I will be doing these, no need to start a campaign.
I'm in the middle of a project "everyone" (All 3 of you, lol) wanted awhile back. I've just started looking into pump kits.

w00t! Sign me up! Will you be using my rail concept? If so I demand monetary compensation! err.. naming rights!?... err... Honorable mention....??

[luke]

hey Luke i thought you were working on a pump kit awhile ago???

Never started the project, just talked about it.

[luke]

w00t! Sign me up! Will you be using my rail concept? If so I demand monetary compensation! err.. naming rights!?... err... Honorable mention....??

The only way I would deviate from the basic kit would be a complete redesigned AGD powered pump marker, that that wont happen this go around. (KISS)

[Cokrkilr]

I've seen the pricing on a couple used kits. What's the price point on a new one? Aside from the $50 in milling it takes.

Would the kit be able to use aftermatket pump handles for say a phantom or autococker?

[need4reebs]

The only way I would deviate from the basic kit would be a complete redesigned AGD powered pump marker, that that wont happen this go around. (KISS)

so its gonna be the third AGD kit made? just with a different name on it? AGD, CI Kit, and now a Luke's kit?

[need4reebs]

I've seen the pricing on a couple used kits. What's the price point on a new one? Aside from the $50 in milling it takes.

Would the kit be able to use aftermatket pump handles for say a phantom or autococker?

the original kits couldnt use the aftermarket pump handles...so hopefully a nice new design is what will be made that can fit both a winged rail as well as a flat rail and be able to use other types of pump handles?

[luke]

I've just started looking into pump kits.

Guys, there is no price, no plan, no design, the project has not started yet, all I'm saying is I will make something.
However it does not make sense to completely reinvent the wheel, to sell 10 or 15 units.

[luke]

the original kits couldnt use the aftermarket pump handles...so hopefully a nice new design is what will be made that can fit both a winged rail as well as a flat rail and be able to use other types of pump handles?

Fitting both rails should not be a problem, using a 2 screw mount for both should work. (no wings)
If there is a specific after market handle design you guys want to use I will need a loaner to design from.

[barkingspider]

Hint hint ...... i really wish Luke would make a pump kit, you really make quality stuff.

I am not so opinionated with the pump handle, although a tactical one might look great with the current tac1 body Luke already milled for me in hopes of finishing my build. However, I really love the hittman lever. Some how to incorporate that into the pump handle of choice would get my vote and money

[Spider-TW]

If there is a specific after market handle design you guys want to use I will need a loaner to design from.

GoatBoy has a point with the magpul AFG. It's not for everybody, but I've thought about making a pump handle that is about the size of a mounting rail just for that purpose. It would be nice to have that option. The CI tac pump kit was a bit too much for me with the side rails though.

Since it is being thrown around, another thing to consider would be a new way to interrupt the semi-auto action. If you latch the sear back with a magnet or mechanical latch in the rail, you can get rid of the weak bolt spring and wave spring and run a level 10 without special tuning. The main problem would be that the pump stroke would be even shorter unless you did something to intentionally keep it long.

[need4reebs]

GoatBoy has a point with the magpul AFG. It's not for everybody, but I've thought about making a pump handle that is about the size of a mounting rail just for that purpose. It would be nice to have that option. The CI tac pump kit was a bit too much for me with the side rails though.

Since it is being thrown around, another thing to consider would be a new way to interrupt the semi-auto action. If you latch the sear back with a magnet or mechanical latch in the rail, you can get rid of the weak bolt spring and wave spring and run a level 10 without special tuning. The main problem would be that the pump stroke would be even shorter unless you did something to intentionally keep it long.

if you went that way the pump rod could run thru the trigger frame and instead of interrupting the bolt function you could possibly interrupt the sear funtion? Possibly...haha!!!

[Laku]

Guys, there is no price, no plan, no design, the project has not started yet, all I'm saying is I will make something.
However it does not make sense to completely reinvent the wheel, to sell 10 or 15 units.

Even if the wheel would be really really sweet?

Since it is being thrown around, another thing to consider would be a new way to interrupt the semi-auto action. If you latch the sear back with a magnet or mechanical latch in the rail, you can get rid of the weak bolt spring and wave spring and run a level 10 without special tuning. The main problem would be that the pump stroke would be even shorter unless you did something to intentionally keep it long.

I like where this is heading, I would definitely buy one.

[Patron God of Pirates]

if you went that way the pump rod could run thru the trigger frame and instead of interrupting the bolt function you could possibly interrupt the sear funtion? Possibly...haha!!!

This idea looks great on paper. Take it a step further. Put a plate at the end of the pump rod that blocks the sear from returning. Now the whole thing can be contained in the rail.

[Spider-TW]

if you went that way the pump rod could run thru the trigger frame and instead of interrupting the bolt function you could possibly interrupt the sear funtion? Possibly...haha!!!

Yes, I was thinking about the lever action application a while back, which would be easier with a latch and everything in the frame.

Pump mags weren't originally designed to remain pumps. If you have to go down the custom machining road to get one now, we should at least consider the possibilities.