Brasseagle really suing Halo

[steveg]

http://www.brasseagle.com/news/article.asp?id=98

link to the original patent http://airsoldier.com/~haveblue/tech...ts/5282454.pdf

the patent mentioned in the suit http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...232&RS=5816232

[ThePatriot]

Is Brass Eagle now claiming they own the entire Motorized Hopper market? The only one left besides them is Ricochet now, i believe, and if they sue them and win too. Doesnt that mean they have a monopoly on the Motorized Hopper industry?

[Mango]

Brass eagle stinks, dont you think that if thier evolution and crap was so much like the Halo's, then why does the Halo work so much better? Those people are a bunch of jerks over there.

[luke]

Is this for real?

WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Brass Eagle Inc., is the leading designer, manufacturer, marketer and distributor of paintball products, including markers, loaders, paintballs, apparel and related accessories."

HAVE THEY ACTUALLY DESIGNED ANYTHING TO MAKE THEM THE "leading designer" OF PAINBALL PRODUCTS?!?!?!?!?!

[luke]

BTW..........

There are only a small few that have the right to claim the title of "Leading Designer", and we all know who's on the top of that list.............

[personman]

Re: Is this for real?

Originally posted by luke

HAVE THEY ACTUALLY DESIGNED ANYTHING TO MAKE THEM THE "leading designer" OF PAINBALL PRODUCTS?!?!?!?!?!

Yup. That would be the talon.
Only costs $20 and breaks after the first day!

[Hasty8]

There is one problem with BE's claim that I am going to make sure the folks at Odyssey realize.

All the patented loader systems the BE currently own are reactive systems. Meaning that they rely on a sensor seeing that the ffed neck is empty and then agitating or forcing the next baal into position.

The HALO is an active feed system. I literaly forces the balls down the feedneck so there is never a gap.

Just goes to show how BE knows they are "circling the drain".

[M-a-s-sDriver]

The HALO is reactive also. It is only activated by an action which you perform. In other words, it will not force a ball down the feed neck until it senses another ball moving. To get that ball moving, you have to pull the trigger and fire a ball, and the HALO reacts to that. Whether or not the balls are forced down the neck is irrelevant. Technically, the balls are also being forced down the neck of the Eggo-lution, just by a differently shaped impeller. The only way ANY loader (WARP included) would not be reactive to some kind of input would be if it were running constantly.
Brent Jackson, PFB.

[Hasty8]

[sifu01]

I love how that lawyers think they know technology. How come defending or presecuting lawyers think they are the ones that are right? They just want the money. I really do not think this lawsuit will go in BE's favor. Be is behind in technology and embarrassed that somone had a superior product.

[Hasty8]

LAwyers have nothing to do with this. The corporate lawyers are merely told to sue and they sue. They have no clue what the technology is, that is why they call "expert witnieeses" and the like.

[mykroft]

Well, The Revy and Eggo use a optical sensor to determine the need to feed (This is what is patented). The Ricochet uses a switch, so it's safe from a lwasuit. I'm not sure about the Halo, but if it's any sort of optical sensor, it's going to lose the lawsuit. The Zap Mach 404 senses vibrations, you can set it off by flicking the side of the feed tube, so it's definitely safe, apart from the general shape, it has no design traits in common with any other feed system, except the Warp (Which also uses a vibration sensor).

All feed systems are reactive.

[Hasty8]

oops. My bad

I just re-read the specs on the HALO and it appears that my initial understanding of how the HALO works was wrong. It does in fact use sensor technology just like the revvy and other agitator loaders which may just put the whole kabash on Odyssey.

Of course, most times something like this happens, since the HALO is so far removed from the Revvy and other BE loaders is a medium sized fine is imposed and eiher the courst order BE to allow HALO to continue with HALO paying them a liscensing fee.

[beam]

I wonder how Odessy is handling this. Case or no case...what is this gonna do to HALO prices?

[Mantis]

IMO, that is a bunch of crap. How the heck can we have different manufacturers of anything, if the first person states his patent general enough? I thought the Halo and Ricochet were cool law-wise because their sensors working in a different manner from Viewloader's.
I'm going to sit down and dream up patents... here's one, a device that replaces the liver. There, when scientists get around to making a fake liver, they better pay me.
Second, after reading that patent -"Essentially a jam free loader" Does that mean I can sue BE for selling me an Evo? Cause that thing jammed more than my Dominator Commander.
Lastly, and I know this will never happen, but it would be nice if paintballers got ticked off enough that we boycotted... just boycott JT for a month and BE would be crying.