New R/T Mag Owner

[WholemealDrop]

Thanks for all the info guys. Just to clarify, a lot of my questions are about mags in general, not just pertaining to the Classic RT mag. Pretty excited to join in on the fun of owning a mag.

As for everything being so expensive I guess has to do more with the fact that yes a lot of it is all custom but with a smaller buying pool. Was looking at bodies today and some were as high as $200 and with my limited knowledge not much different than stock bodies. Similarly a simple cocker body could be had for well under $100 but that is with a higher buying pool. Supply and demand at its finest. Either way I've accumulated a few ideas to add to my paintball projects list.

[ScottyBeans]

Thanks for all the info guys. Just to clarify, a lot of my questions are about mags in general, not just pertaining to the Classic RT mag. Pretty excited to join in on the fun of owning a mag.

As for everything being so expensive I guess has to do more with the fact that yes a lot of it is all custom but with a smaller buying pool. Was looking at bodies today and some were as high as $200 and with my limited knowledge not much different than stock bodies. Similarly a simple cocker body could be had for well under $100 but that is with a higher buying pool. Supply and demand at its finest. Either way I've accumulated a few ideas to add to my paintball projects list.

Yeah, the expensive bodies are really expensive, and the cheap bodies are really cheap. I like to think of it as "there's something for everyone". I usually stick to regular ULE bodies since they do the whole "lightweight, center feed, cocker threaded" thing so right at a pretty affordable price. About $100 or so, usually.

Maybe someday I'll buy or build a sweet custom bodied mag though, who knows?

[WholemealDrop]

Light weight will be my next step if I end up really liking the RT. At least something that is center feed and cocker threaded. Already have a sweet freak barrel for all my cocker threaed guns, don't want to hunt around for one that is twist lock.

[Cyco-Dude]

Light weight will be my next step if I end up really liking the RT. At least something that is center feed and cocker threaded. Already have a sweet freak barrel for all my cocker threaed guns, don't want to hunt around for one that is twist lock.

you're out of luck if that's what you want to do with a classic rt. remember the whole "incompatible with other automags" stuff? you could try to find one of xmagterror's ule classic rt bodies though. also, you can get a twistlock-to-cocker adapter for your automag, so you can use 'cocker threaded barrels.

[blackdeath1k]

Light weight will be my next step if I end up really liking the RT. At least something that is center feed and cocker threaded. Already have a sweet freak barrel for all my cocker threaed guns, don't want to hunt around for one that is twist lock.

I've actually got a full TL freak kit in case for sale. Lol.

In all seriousness. You really can't do a lot to Lighten a classic RT. I love mine. But due to the body design and air passage in the rail it makes for curve balls.

[going_home]

Got a classic RT project going myself.

I have a twist lock to cocker thread adapter, and a clamping feedneck for powerfeed that I'm not going to use.

Decided to get an XMT body instead.

LMK

[WholemealDrop]

Classic RT is just the first mag. If I end up liking the way it shoots I'll upgrade to something else. Not saying I'm going to try and do stuff to this one.

[C_losjoker]

Not saying I'm going to try and do stuff to this one.

HAHA HAHAHA. I think we have all said this about a mag at one time to ourselves. Then it's, oh I rather have a double or single trigger frame, oh that piece is exactly what I need to complement my mag. Next thing you know, you have ten mags.

on the behalf of everyone here welcome to the group and we apologize on your new addiction.

[WholemealDrop]

Haha thanks for the welcomes everyone. I definitely know the wallet squeeze from building cockers. This gun will definitely be mainly stock. Any changes will purely be for function. Already had to remove the drop and on/off since my tank with a myth reg was too short and couldn't screw it in.

New questions: could barely get the gun to RT very fast before i start seeing shootdown. Any ideas? And how do I tell what bolt i have? It has the foamie insert but besides that I don't know.

[Laku]

If the bolt stem is hollow and there's wrench removable tip in power tube, it's lvl 10.

[C_losjoker]

Mags are air hogs, to keep the valve up with trigger pull specially in a RT, you need a high output tank. 900 min, 1000 is what most guys go for when they want to RT and have high RPS.

take the valve out, take the bolt off, if the tip of the valve has a hexagon brass tip it is level 10, if it has a brass tip that is round with two cut grooves where a flat screw driver will fit, it is level 7.

[WholemealDrop]

Sweet got a level 10 bolt. Powertube has the hex head and bolt stem is hollow. I knew mags want SHP but I figured standard 850PSI would be able to RT relatively ok but guess not.

How should I oil the mag? Just standard few drops into the ASA and cycle or pull the valve and oil by hand?

Best recommendation for a feed elbow? Heard good things about Armson and APP elbows I think.

[blackdeath1k]

Sweet got a level 10 bolt. Powertube has the hex head and bolt stem is hollow. I knew mags want SHP but I figured standard 850PSI would be able to RT relatively ok but guess not.

How should I oil the mag? Just standard few drops into the ASA and cycle or pull the valve and oil by hand?

Best recommendation for a feed elbow? Heard good things about Armson and APP elbows I think.

With a very high flowing valve that will make one rt decent. But the level 10 hi ders that from my experience. I personally use a classic rt with a level 7 bolt and a ninja v2 pro bottle reg set with an indicated 850 output. It RTS plenty to make me happy. And I know it will rt like mad with 1k input. My wife's rt on the other hand has a level 10 in it and does not really rt at all with 850 psi output.

I oil mine through the ASA with the barrel removed unless I'm pulling the valve for other reasons.

Arms on elbows are cheap and work great. I've got a few of them as backups for when I finally break my 20 year old VLBow.

[Cyco-Dude]

my classic rt's never had much bounce at 850 psi, even with lvl 7 bolts. even at 950 psi they don't really bounce. maybe i just need to break the o-rings in since they're new? my rt pro and x-valves worked great at 950 psi though.

2nd on armson elbows, but loaders with huge feednecks (halo, vmax, rotor) won't fit without sanding them down. a viewloader revolution fits nice and snug, you just have to loosen the bolt all the way. do not get the 1" universal; the inserts they include for those to fit onto 7/8" od necks are too fat. i had to shave down all of my inserts in order to get the elbow onto a 7/8 od neck.

[Spider-TW]

New questions: could barely get the gun to RT very fast before i start seeing shootdown. Any ideas?

So, what kind of tank are you feeding it with? Sorry if it's posted in here.

I have met an 850 psi, CP regged bottle that wouldn't keep up with an EPmag on limp. The older HP crossfires that are closer to 800 psi typically keep up, but they usually won't drive the RT much at all. A 950 psi Ninja is just right for my three RT/X setups (at slightly different rates). I had some adjustable regs, but now I change the marker instead of the pressure. :)