Autococker Curious (Caution: Long-winded OP)

[cfos00]

Tear that puppy up and swap out o-rings, and it sounds like you should be good! And Vantrepes over there is a great dude to listen to. He knows what he's doing.

[[NA]WARLORD]

One thing the Resurrection has that no other autococker has is a warranty. This is crucial when your a first time cocker owner, only having a couple of Trilogy's in the past and those being pumps, after shooting one at a scenario game, I was hooked. I don't care about the lack of upgrades for it as it shoots perfectly fine to me. Docfire on customcockers.com did an in depth review on it and although mine pinched a bolt oring the first day I used it, it has been my go to gun over my Axe just about anytime I play now a days.

[cockerpunk]

One thing the Resurrection has that no other autococker has is a warranty. This is crucial when your a first time cocker owner, only having a couple of Trilogy's in the past and those being pumps, after shooting one at a scenario game, I was hooked. I don't care about the lack of upgrades for it as it shoots perfectly fine to me. Docfire on customcockers.com did an in depth review on it and although mine pinched a bolt oring the first day I used it, it has been my go to gun over my Axe just about anytime I play now a days.

trilogies get a bad rep, but they were actually a great setup. in some ways much better than normal cockers, and for new folks to the platform, very very good.

[Nobody]

trilogies get a bad rep, but they were actually a great setup. in some ways much better than normal cockers, and for new folks to the platform, very very good.

Not really. One of the main attractions of a cocker is the ability to change parts to suit the user. With the fixed 4 way, you lost one point of contention, then the gun specific LPR was another. Plus you had the look of them, well the look of all the later cocker where just ugly. So, it might have been a good gun, yet because they changed so much from the previous cockers, they will never be regalled as a good platform.

[BigEvil]

Because this is MUCH LESS COMPLICATED....

[pdobrove]

trilogies get a bad rep, but they were actually a great setup. in some ways much better than normal cockers, and for new folks to the platform, very very good.

I agree with this point. Big fan of the 11/16th valve chamber and you never have to worry about the 3 way getting out of time. When you get board with it you can just do what I did, lol

[cockerpunk]

Not really. One of the main attractions of a cocker is the ability to change parts to suit the user. With the fixed 4 way, you lost one point of contention, then the gun specific LPR was another. Plus you had the look of them, well the look of all the later cocker where just ugly. So, it might have been a good gun, yet because they changed so much from the previous cockers, they will never be regalled as a good platform.

if you do not need or want to upgrade things that don't really effect the performance of the gun, they are perfect.

i think kevin has the best video proving the point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HgGFiNWsGg

[pillage]

Autocockers can be as much fun and reliable as Automags. When those were the top guns on the market, the thing that caused the most grief to an Autococker owner, was the lack of knowledge and a handy set of Allen wrenches. I regularly used make good money unscrewing up Autococker timing for those who thought they were improving their gun's performance. A lot of the upgrades were either equal to what was in the gun stock, or not that much better. Once set as long as the orings hold up, the timing does change, making them reliable, kind of like an Automag.

The Cocker Haiku:
Did it work Before?
You messed with it didn't you?
Got what you deserve.

[ghost flanker]

Vantrepes on CC is doing his best to help me, but this project is proving to be a pain in the ass. Can't get the 3-way to stop leaking and it won't fully cock half the time. Looks to me like the ram's piston o-ring might be shot but I don't see how you gain access to the piston...they must've loctited the hell out of the ram body. And for all I can tell, it could be two separate leaks, or the leak could be intermittent - the symptoms I'm experiencing don't really match any of the troubleshooting guides. Now it turns out the non-slotted aftermarket trigger wasn't really meant to be used with the older style 3-way, so now I gotta either buy a slotted trigger plate or a newer 3-way. I know it'll be a reliable shooter once it's set up properly, but what I don't know is how you cocker guys do it. I've put in hours and emptied nearly three full air tanks trying to troubleshoot this thing...I'm about ready to just ship it off to an airsmith and let him deal with it because it's only sucking up all my free time.

[going_home]

Of course mags are better.

If you need a headache get a cocker.....

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[Nobody]

Yup, this is exactly the bad of cocker ownership and what i was talking about 1 part effects the others. Take a deep breath and walk away for a bit. Its harder fixing the unknown because you are trying to undo what the previous owner did, but more worth while in the long run.

[cockerpunk]

Yup, this is exactly the bad of cocker ownership and what i was talking about 1 part effects the others. Take a deep breath and walk away for a bit. Its harder fixing the unknown because you are trying to undo what the previous owner did, but more worth while in the long run.

says the guy who doesn't think the trilogy is a good gun.

you cannot simultaneously condemn cockers for being complicated and unreliable, and then condemn trilogies for not being real cockers. the trilogies solve many of these common setup problems. and less adjustments might be less cocker like, but less adjustments and upgrades, means less for people to mess up.

[ghost flanker]

Of course mags are better.

If you need a headache get a cocker......

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[Nobody]

says the guy who doesn't think the trilogy is a good gun.

you cannot simultaneously condemn cockers for being complicated and unreliable, and then condemn trilogies for not being real cockers. the trilogies solve many of these common setup problems. and less adjustments might be less cocker like, but less adjustments and upgrades, means less for people to mess up.

If you want a fishing trip, go to the ocean. Try reading what i said then understand what i wrote and come up with a valid argument.

They are complicated. There is a balance of different parts that need to work properly and simultaneously together. Never said they were unreliable. Did say they that if parts were changed on the gun that care needs to be maintained as it can take a working gun to a headache.

The trilogy is a horrible platform. As well as it did to solve the problems to make it easier, it condemned it to be a dead platform. The lack of aftermarket parts, the changes to the body that required new parts to be made specific and proprietary made the platform poor and cheap.

You are so wrong, on so many levels its pitiful...

[ghost flanker]

Honestly, the thing that would keep me from buying a trilogy is the 1.5 finger trigger frame it has on it. Clearly made for nine-year-olds with small hands. Good ergonomics is one of my biggest priorities in a gun.