this has gone to far!!!

[Army]

You know I hate agreeing with shartley, but he is spot on.

Sex sells, this is true but that is not what it means. Sexy sells. A gorgeous woman, wearing an evening dress, laying on the hood of an exotic sports car is sexy and may just arouse the need to have that sleek car in order to "pick up chicks".

Those girls in the pics are just having sex, and that is offensive to me to see it in public, especially at a "family oriented" event. At NPPL in LA, I turned the Angel Air tanks over to hide the "lesbo" pic on it, I found it shocking that WPD would allow this on their products.

[Vegeta]

Alright thats just stupid. That will not make me want to buy their product at all. It has ZERO influence on me to actually buy their product. Any company, I dont care if its the best gun in the world, putting two chicks makin out in the ad wont influence me to buy their marker. Maybe if they lsited some featers and specs of it, I would consider looking into what their marker is, but the chicks alone wont. All they will do is make me look closer, heh.


I saw the pics of the paintball (mud style) wrestling at IAO. Thats not right.

If you look at thsoe, notice that John (i think) Tippmann is in the second pic, grey shirt. and Ben Tippmann (also another guess, his heads cut off) is in the 3rd pic I belice in the blue shirt right in front, you cant barely start to see the Tippmann logo on his shirt. Don't hold be to it, I can't really remember what htose guys look like though.

[TylerDurden]

Vegeta

That will not make me want to buy their product at all. It has ZERO influence on me to actually buy their product

Yeah, but what if TK was wearing a speedo at a booth. Would that make you want to buy a mag? j/k

[luke]

shartley,

I can't argue with anything you said, because I agree with your point of view. I believe children do need be sheltered from many adult perspectives especially when it comes in this form. But, I also believe that lesbians have a right to life like the rest of us. In my first post I was really responding to nastymags point of view, which was more of a conditioned response that is border line predjust rather than a view point of something that was well thought out. I would have taken his response the same way if he would have said "those black people shouldn't kiss in public, that's disgusting.!"

In response to:

Well, this is just a bit too broad of a statement to have any impact one way or the other. I suggest you visit some of the links I posted above, and you will read how "sex" really is used in advertisement, and why. I think far too often people confuse "sex" with "smut".. there is a huge difference
I did check of one of them and do agree we have a problem with moral issues surrounding this kind of advertising. The point of view was of advertising, not necessarily mine. What I asked was, why should advertisers think of paintball as being off limits when nothing else is? I was really just trying to make a point. My point was that it is much broader a problem than just paintball. Everyone is concerned about the parents allowing children to participate in the sport with type of thing going on. Like the kids won't see it as they are walking to school, or watching cartoons or commercials during children's shows or watching previews for adult movies at the movie theater when you are there to watch a rated "G" movie or a Video tape of the like for that matter. What about the smut you see written on the walls in the back ground of children's movies. The list goes on and on. My point is, what makes paintball so sacred, when it comes to advertising. Do I want the sport tainted? Of course not! It's crazy to think this is a new problem. Personally I'm not offended by the pictures, but I agree it's not for children.

[BTAutoMag]

you know for a company who sell a product called an ANGEL i would picture blondes with wings blessing the heavenly Angel while sitting on clouds. I would not expect brunetts in black leather licking the gun AND EACH OTHER because if they want to do this too a paintball gun i dont want to... ok i would want to see but thats not the point. The fact that they're displaying this in public is wrong and should have never even been associted with paintball. I dont see leather clad girls humping baseball players on the field no do I, no, and this is no different

[skirts]

do you guys realize that all of us posting or reading this thread have become puppets for the severe and wdp adds. they do work, look at us discussing it right now. any publicity is good publicity. people are going to talk about the hot chicks making out from severe and the s&m master slobbin on a ir3 barrel. i nearly forgot about severe because its been a while since i have shot it, well guess what, the "name" is back in my head. weather you like the adds or not doesnt matter, your still talking about it.
and by getting the name out we are all just advertising for these companies. for example, i told a buddy about the pics and he wanted to know what companies the adds are for.
hmmmmm....

just some words to chew on with lunch

later boys

skirts

[thecavemankevin]

This is F'ing crazy!!

What the heck is this crap? Paintball should be a family orieted sport or atleast pg-13 rated, not NC-17 or X!

This if freaking rediculous. Furthermore if my Girl ever saw any of this on the net or in person, i would never be able to got to events like Zap. And i don't blame her! If i were in her position, i wouldn't want her going to places where they had Hunks walking around like Chip and Dales guys.

I don't mind the posters such as the KAPP girls and so on. Those at least are pg-13 rated and i don't think are really offensive to anyone. But thing like WDP's Porn AIR and this crap are just that, crap!

Darn i am so frustrated now.

This has no place in paintball!

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

yeah, every guy likes to see 2 girls kissing(hypathetically). it's every guys fantasy, bla bla bla. but to show this kind of thing where a 5 year old kid could see it is just wrong. kissing in public is one thing. nothing to bad, not serious. but making out in public is just tasteless. then to advertise it, i don't know.

i'm not offended by this add, scene, or pretty much anything. i'm a 20 year old guy that probably wouldn't be bothered by much. but i know if i had a son/daugther, i wouldn't want him/her exposed to things like this.

let's reverse the situations. say only girls played paintball and very few guys do. now you're a 10 year old kid going to an event with a million girls all around playing paintball and at the end, they get 3 guys to roll around in that tub and kiss and whatever. would you want to see that and then go back for more? i sure wouldn't.

[Hysperion]

I'm a proud owner of a Kiss Air tank, sent the money yesterday and will post pics as soon as I get it Woohoo!.... I honestly doubt anyone here would be whining if one of the people in the picture was a guy. Shartley says he'd say something but I find that doubtful. Let's say Kenny Clamper is "kissing his girlfriend" after an exciting win...is Shartley going to walk up to him and ask him to go somewhere else? Please..... I say. Who cares. If two girls making out offends you, leave.

NastyMag "( if you say yes then you are a sad soul). Bon Bon, Lisa harvey , Kelly watson etc. they are the real cool girls , making the gear look cool. not some girls kissing."
***At mardi gras Keely Watson and "whatshisface" were all over each other and noone complains about that...truth is I think you're discriminatory towards lesbians.***

BTAUTOMAG " I would not expect brunetts in black leather licking the gun AND EACH OTHER"

***You ever here of the dark angel? I've got my dark ir3 on preorder ***

I think this is a bash towards lesbians and this whole thread should be taken down. Why do you guys care what they do with their life. Personally I see gay guys as less competition for me and lesbians as a great source of "eye candy"....just my .02...

[manike]

American attitudes to Sex and smut are very different to Europe and many other areas in the world. To an outsider it comes across as if you are ashamed of sex and scared of what others will think. Europe tends to have a much more free attitude to it. I think that is a good thing some/many of you may not.

I agree this sort of promotion should not be carried out by minors or be in such a way that it could adversely affect someone. But I don't have a problem with it being used to market to certain demographics.

I wouldn't be offended by two girls kissing, two guys kissing or a mix couple kissing. Nor do I see a problem with it in public. I don't think two of those options would help sell paintball products though... Actually as a person with my own mind I don't think any of those options would make me want to buy something or to not buy something.

BUT to imply that people shouldn't show affection in public or that you wouldn't as an adult be allowed to go somewhere by a partner because of the type of people and their looks and attitudes that you may encounter is in my opinion showing a lack of trust and the wrong attitude in a modern world where people of different views and races and cultures need to co-exist.

As someone before pointed out, this is working. It's working very well because it's advertising their product and we are talking about it. I'd never heard of that banner before. I have now.

If you really don't like it and don't want it to happen, you know the best thing you can do is ignore it... not repost pictures and not complain, because if there is no reaction to such adverts and no-one buys because of them then they won't make them. They will find another way.

manike

[Potatoboy]

i agree with manike completely in every word he said.

but I think the words he was looking for in his two paragraphs was: There's no such thing as bad publicity.

added-

P.S. My own take on the Mantis catalog is a bit different maybe because they're local. (And I know their roots are in a scene very much more "open" than paintball) The "feel" is different, almost like they're having fun, I don't see much problem with that at all either. They make really great gear though, and who says a company can't makre really durable, sweet looking, practical paintball gear, and still make baby t's and thongs?

[manike]

Originally posted by Hysperion
I think this is a bash towards lesbians and this whole thread should be taken down. Why do you guys care what they do with their life.

I also see a lot of underlying homophobia and other life style/racial type issues implied in this thread.

manike

[Potatoboy]

not to be a yes man, but I wasn't going to mention that as well.

but i agree...

This unfortunatly *wouldn't* be seen as an issue if either the kisser or the kissee had a Y chromosome.

[manike]

Originally posted by BTAutoMag
The fact that they're displaying this in public is wrong.

Why is it wrong?

Originally posted by BTAutoMag
I dont see leather clad girls humping baseball players on the field no do I, no, and this is no different

nope but you see scantily clad Chearleaders doing exercise and jiggling around for most US sports. Who do you think those Chearleaders are there for? And why do you think they are there?

Every show I see from the USA has some wanton busty female presenter. Why? You see much less of that in the UK and Europe. I think because we are more liberal about sex and don't need to see such things to be tittilated.

I think in reality America trys to hide it's sexual needs and make it out to be bad and then goes and does the exact opposite in so many ways. You don't get places like hooters in Europe. You don't get anywhere near as many strip joints and you don't get anywhere near the amount of plastic surgery and enhancements that American people seem to need to be accepted.

For a country which encourages beauty pagents and chearleaders and exploits womens looks so much sometimes you do get very prudish.

manike

[Potatoboy]

not to steer this in another direction, but the direct cause of all of this can be linked back to the Puritans leaving Europe to settle in America.

I personally think that it's time to cast off this guilt most Americans have towards anything even remotely concerning sexuality.

Maybe I should just move to the UK