I finally figured out why people buy Autocockers

[martlet1]

elves

Im confused. I thought it was the elves that caused everyone to buy cockers!? Is that wrong????? I mean really, if you get your very own elf, then its really a bargain!

[pumpamatic]

Um yeah AKA is full of it. Short to medium range? You gotta be kidding me. My gun was shooting the same distance as an Excalibur 2 weeks ago, and every other gun on the field. Does this mean that all guns are short to medium range? Apparently.

[BTAutoMag]

tippman flatline

[AcemanPB]

lol flatline on a cocker...

[BTAutoMag]

they make em'

check out page 47 in the May 2002 APG

[AcemanPB]

i know, i just think they look funny on a cocker, not somethin i would do atleast

[magatron]

anyone ever seen a r.a.i.l. spyder? those things are freacking sweet. all the fancy hoses, moving parts that ppl can see, cheaper, doesn't have to be worked on nearly as much and only need be timed once, it realy is a thing of paintball brilliance, i mean seriously, a closed bolt spyder that looks all fancy with its moving parts and hoses, just wait till they mass produced lol.
back toi the subject:
who ever thinks all those aftermarket parts are eyecandy, better get a new line of thinking. most of those fancy bodys have had interal airpassages made to aquire a lower pressure, as with almost every other part is there to make some form of a performance differance.
personally, when i see a marker with few aftermarket parts, it seems to be like the gun is coming to you perfect in design. like bushys, there are like 4 or 5 aftermarket parts for them, and anyone i've ever meet who owned one, loved it and nothing but great things to say about it, as with mag owners i've talked to. i mean, if your paying 300-400 bucks, it shouldn't need 1000 dollars more in parts to make it great.

[Krazy Ivan]

I think a lot of draw also comes from it being SO customizable that you don't even have to buy a stock cocker. You can build your own cocker from aftermarket parts totally.

That and the fact that if you hold the trigger in the back position the back block stays in the back position.

pull trigger..look at back block...release trigger..WooT it moved!

[tobz]

One thing I would like to add..

Is that a stock cocker rips when you get it done right.

There is plenty of dealer hype in the cocker world, and everyone knows it. A stock cocker will also be reliable enough (just like a mag) to where you can add oil once and a while and you'll almost never need to mess with it. Mags and cockers are both nice guns, which is why they are placed higher up the ladder for mechanical markers. Just my two cents, please add other info, this is a good thread!
-tobz

[Schnitzel]

i almost bought a cocker, i was really close. then i heard about this wonderful company called Airgun Designs.

i had read stories upon stories about how cockers tended to demand attention...but never heard anything about mags, just that they were rock solid.

then my brother-in-law, (sister's boyfriend at the time) showed me the superior workings of the Automag. He picked it up from a freind's house, and proceeded to field strip it in his lap doing 70 down the freeway. that's what sold me. the he let me test-shoot it in his back yard....that locked my opinion in stone. that NON-LX, HPA, humble mag's genuis almost made me drop it in amazement.

i really do believe that i have bought the ferarri of the PB industry. sure, imports (cockers) are capable of the same performance as my ferarri, but i'm happy that my bumper wont fall off at 80+.

[cledford]

Harley analogy...

The analogy I like to use for cockers is that they are like Harley Davidsons. If you want a bike that runs perfectly, is virtually maintenance free, has the latest/cutting edge in technology for it's systems, is built better (to tighter tolerances) and is cheaper, then buy a Japanese bike.

If you want something that REQUIRES you work on it, is built on turn of the century technology and is expensive (before you even start upgrading it) buy the Harley. Honestly (even as a Harley owner) there is no justification to own one (except the buy American sentiment) compared to a jap bike. The thing is that arguably the Harley (like the cocker) is still the most popular out there. How does "old world" and outdated technology compete with that which can and does put it to shame? I don't know. Even the new vrod is thousands more and less capable then a Euro or jap peer. Same as the new ecockers that still (due to reciprocating mass) will always be slower the then the current crop of electros. So why pay $1400 plus for an E oracle when a much more capable electro can be had for hundreds less? Why buy the Vrod?

A good point someone made about the kit thing (as with the Harleys also) and the customization. If you've even been to a Harley dealer there are (including Harleys own version) several catalogs the size of PHONE BOOKS that are chock full of parts for what? A product line of about 9 or 10 bikes total? (all of the other parts for all of the other current motorcycles could easily fit into a single Harley catalog with room to spare) The Harley guys (as do the cocker owners) can't get enough custom parts. You often wonder why they all didn't build them up from scratch the way everything get replaced.

-Calvin
(A Harley and cocker owner)

[JEDI]

Originally posted by spliff

I second that. Stock cockers are excelent right out of the box. Most upgrades do very little for performance. People upgrade their Stck pnuematics because they hate the look of brass, and they want the convienence of an externally adjustable LPR. People upgrade their rods from stainless to titanium, because you can. There are many other upgrades that do basically nothing. The majority out there offer either looks, convience, or a very small performance gain.

This idea is kinda wrong. I know its an opinion but...Most cocker upgrades DO affect performance. I think the idea that cocker upgrades make for a pretty gun is an idea shared only by people here on AO. 1.) Your 3-way will shorten your pull, and make it smoother. 2.) Your swing frame lightens your pull and is more adjustable compared to the stock slide. 3.) A new bolt can give you better flow, and lower your pressure. 4.) An adjustable LPR is more than just a convenience. A snappier back block, and lower cocking pressure does help. 5.)A Palmer quick ram over the stock brass ram is like night & day.

I would like to do away with the idea that slapping some parts on your cocker does nothing more than put a smile on your face. Again though, we all agree that markers come down to preference. I for one would rather tune my "guitar" than just play it right out of the box. Every gun is a performance machine. Its capabilites far exceed what you get from the stock state no matter what gun it is.

After all, the Xmag is just an "upgraded" 68classic.

[tobz]

true

but it still comes down to what you're getting, not too mention a stock cocker comes with a hinge nowadays. and a new 3 way usually can lighten shorten pull, but you might be getting rid of some reliability issues as well. There will be ups and downs to everything, I guess I just hate the people that say, why spend $300 on a stock cocker, when you need to add $800 to make it work? They just kind of tick me off sometimes.

tobz

[FeelTheRT]

acutally, i switched from Angels to Cockers because i just love the way a cocker feels and sounds. Not to mention i'm a god at fixing them .

[cannedheat]

hmmm... i own both, what does that make me?