I finally figured out why people buy Autocockers

[MarkM]

Aftermarket parts etc ...is most all that has been said, An Automag was designed to be a semi-auto, the Auto-Cocker was a converted pump marker, so of course it is going to look like a cluster *POOF*, I have both a cocker and an automag and the reason for buying the autococker was simple, I was fed up with blasting balls to pieces due to the way an automag cycles and fires. Yes cockers do chop but the trigger pull is different so you adapt to it. Ok now there is the level 10 but at the time there wasn't so it was a no-brainer choice for me. I now run an Angel and yes the forward motion and then gas release is the same as an automag but IMHO "not" as violently as the automag does it nor does it rely on a spring for the bolt movement.

Not flaming marker choice just my reasons for why I decided to do what I did.

Warning: No Cussing - Miscue

[Me]

Re: I finally figured out why people buy Autocockers

Originally posted by hitmanng
Angel owners on the other hand just seem to trade guns instead of upgrade a lot. Very interesting.
Hitmanng

Lol, true very true. wanna buy my angel?

[sime]

ok calvin...that's a damn fine analagy.....

....but where does my favorite bike (ducati!!! mmmm 998R) fit into this equation? there's NO way it equals an angel.....as i'd bever own an angel, i'm too happy with my mag and my phantom.

and if a cocker=hog, then say a dye cocker=buell? same thing only sexier?

heheheehe, just stiring the pot, it's what i do best!

cheers!

[felony]

well..

ive had my mag for roughly two years now, and the toughest thing i've had to do is install level 10. maybe intellifeeding my marker was tougher. i'm not sure.

ive only really shot a hyperframe uprising cocker. it is very nice and very light.

im tempted to buy a stock cocker get the necessaties and just play over the summer.

or i can get a barrel system for my mag and keep on chuggin with my mini.

it is just something i want to own. i want to know why so many people buy it. i want to show some people that it isnt as tough as it seems. there is no way it can be that popular in it entirity if it had as many problems as people claim it has.

so, any suggestions on stock cocker slightly upgraded and barrel system, or my current mag with a new barrel system.

i think i know what the answer to that is

[Ultimator]

lol ...

[Ironmag]

Even though I have an E-Mag, I got a stock 2k3 Autococker recently and want to build it from the ground up and make it MY custom baby. It's just a different kind of marker and something that I can tinker with.

[GT]

honestly,
I just bought an outkast and a mini at the same time. the kast is my second cocker and the mini is my 4rth mag. the mini I will keeo forever and the cocker I just sold to a friend.

Few reasons why I am switching to a cocker as my primiary.

1. way more eff than my retro or RT every wish to be.
2. I really like the trigger pull on a cocker
3. lower operating preasure, even when it gets cold in tx my mag, doesnt matter which one, just blows paint down the barrel.
4. you can actually run a cocker on co2, although I won't.

now to address the statement that cocker's have a bunch of pricey stuff that is worhtless maybe true, but take a look around at all the crapy mag stuff made by other companies.

jb

[rikkter]

when i first started paintball, i had a rebel, then i wanted to upgrade. now i was thinking of getting a cocker, then read all these stories of timing, all the little things you have to watch out for, etc etc etc. so i'm like nah, then i went with my mag. then another mag. but recently i bought a cocker just to toy around with, i WANTED to time it, i wanted to fool around with all these little things and such and see what i could do to make it do this, that, etc. i love the thing, its a very smooth operating marker and would definitally buy another one. but i love my mag. i dont trust the cocker enough to go out and play a long game and then have it start to mess up.
i was playing couple games with a few kids from nemesis(yes the real team) and he was laying in some brush just playing around and sniping people with his cocker(wasn't concept field of course) and all of a sudden it hung on him while shooting. i think his ram hose game off or something, i can't remember what he said.
but anyways. i got mine just to toy with, i actually find timing it rather fun. that and also taking the cocking rod out and just hammering on the trigger so the back block moves back and forth is entertaining too.

[deathstalker]

Originally posted by JEDI

This idea is kinda wrong. I know its an opinion but...Most cocker upgrades DO affect performance. I think the idea that cocker upgrades make for a pretty gun is an idea shared only by people here on AO. 1.) Your 3-way will shorten your pull, and make it smoother. 2.) Your swing frame lightens your pull and is more adjustable compared to the stock slide. 3.) A new bolt can give you better flow, and lower your pressure. 4.) An adjustable LPR is more than just a convenience. A snappier back block, and lower cocking pressure does help. 5.)A Palmer quick ram over the stock brass ram is like night & day.

Points 1 & 2:
The stock 4-way and slide triggers are very easy to set up for whatever pull you want; short, long, light, and heavy trigger pulls are possible with stock parts. Hinges are great for people who can't get used to a slider, but I refuse to believe a hinge is inherently better than a slider. Having too short a pull, no matter what frame is on there, will cause you headaches in the long run.

Point 3:
A new bolt provides hardly any better flow. Who cares about operating pressure? My goal is efficiency.

Point 4:
My stock LPR is adjustable and is set up to pinch. What's a snappier back block and what does it do?

Point 5:
Care to elaborate? I could easily take your point and add the conclusion that because the difference is "like night & day," the stock ram is better.

[GT]

Originally posted by deathstalker
Point 3:
A new bolt provides hardly any better flow. Who cares about operating pressure? My goal is efficiency.

I agree 100%. this is where its at! who wants to get 1.5 cases out of a 68/4500? I do!

jb

[JEDI]

Originally posted by deathstalker

Points 1 & 2:
The stock 4-way and slide triggers are very easy to set up for whatever pull you want; short, long, light, and heavy trigger pulls are possible with stock parts. Hinges are great for people who can't get used to a slider, but I refuse to believe a hinge is inherently better than a slider. Having too short a pull, no matter what frame is on there, will cause you headaches in the long run.

Point 3:
A new bolt provides hardly any better flow. Who cares about operating pressure? My goal is efficiency.

Point 4:
My stock LPR is adjustable and is set up to pinch. What's a snappier back block and what does it do?

Point 5:
Care to elaborate? I could easily take your point and add the conclusion that because the difference is "like night & day," the stock ram is better.

Ok, 1: Stock 3-ways are not as smooth as most good after market ones. The openings & O-rings combo are closer on a good 3way (palmer, belsales) allowing less movement to switch the air. After market switches generally have a longer life, and can handle more cycles. I never said a swinger is better than a slide. I said an upgraded frame (i like swing frames) is better than the average stock slider. That plastic/carbon peice of crap has way too much back and forth play, and not responsive enough.

Point 3: Ok, I'm sorry, but your response is an ignorant one. My AKA bolt added about 25fps over the chrono, hence: better flow, better flow means I can turn my velocity down from the 320-spike back to 280, meaning less air/lower pressure--which in turn gives you better efficiency. Every time you add a part which lowers your pressure, it requires less air to run the gun, and thats efficiency. (within reason)

Point 4: Right the stock LPR is adjustable if you remove the end cap. Thats a pain in the ***. I can control how much air it takes to throw the block back. This helps like you said with "pinching". But my palmer LPR has a bigger chamber, and has more volume. Again an efficiency issue.

Point 5: The ram is probably the one part that you can feel the difference on or off the gun. If you compare the in & out slide of a Palmer or Evolution ram to the stock, its 10 times smoother. Some rams are beefier, and handle more cycles. I wouldn't throw an E-blade on the stock ram. Over a period of time, that ram will fail, or need to be rebuilt.
I'm not saying stock parts wont work. But they're not going to hold up like a top end upgrade. Plain and simple. I'm not going to argue a point that most Cocker experts would agree with. Why didnt Bud Orr put all stock parts on the new Orracle? Hmmm?

[dex]

Most impressive JEDI. Anyone who argues those facts is clearly biased in their thoughts. Yes, i can see that buying a gun for a few hundered then dumping another couple of hundered into it can be expensive. However, its fun. Plain & Simple. It can be a project overtime w/ the end result being a completely reliable gun. Trust me, if more aftermarket mag parts were available, most mag owners would be pushing in line to get them. How many people now have a Level 10 to stop chopping?? Just a point.

[tobz]

another thing to add

is that there's this thing called reliability.

ANS make pretty stuff, too bad you'll need to replace it every so often. The stock stuff may be ugly, and could be improved in minor ways, but if you setup your gun right, sweetspot your reg and time it perfect, you'll only need to adjust it like once a year or less, and it will work just fine. people on AO especially know about dealer hype. but if you're into pretty stuff, feel free to upgrade your cocker and make it pretty, however, those are usually the same people that are tinkering while us with fugly stock cockers and mags are the ones playing

tobz

[dex]

Re: another thing to add

Originally posted by tobz
is that there's this thing called reliability.

but if you're into pretty stuff, feel free to upgrade your cocker and make it pretty, however, those are usually the same people that are tinkering while us with fugly stock cockers and mags are the ones playing

tobz

There is nothing wrong w/ a stock cocker. I used a stock cocker and my teamate used a stock mag for a long time and they both performed well. As i became more interested in performance upgrades, i did my reading, learned about the gun and how to properly install aftermarket products.(No need for sideline tinkering) But i think you're missing the point about looking pretty vs. performance. For a good rundown on performance products please look up a few posts for JEDI's response. And i don't care for ANS. Stick w/ PALMER.

[tobz]

sorry

yeah, that's exactly what I was trying to get at. Is that people need to research before they buy aftermarket.
palmers rock reg and quick ram are top notch as far as i'm concerned
their quick switch 3 way might be a bit stiff for some people, but the STO 3 way isn't bad either. a lot of aftermarket products are just to make the gun prettier, i'd rather have fugly + performance than "pretty" + Hassles.

I agree, go PPS. ANS is crap.
tobz