At how many bps can a regular AIR valve no longer keep up?

[ScoobYSnax]

Hey guys, I am considering getting a retro valve, but don't know if I really need one. I'm a newb, and don't have a very fast trigger finger(s). I will probably end up around 6-7bps MAX (right now it's more like 3-4). My question is, at what point is the AIR valve no longer able to keep up? When does it start having bad velocity fluctuations?

Also, at 3-5 bps, does an AIR and retro valve perform the same?

Let me know guys, i want to know if I really NEED the retro or not.

[nuggy43]

I easily get my classic mag up to 15 bps with no problems. Even with a slow trigger finger u should be able to get 8-10 bps. I have no need to get a retro valve mainly because i think 15 bps is enough any more is really useless. But some people think thats not enough.

[Croix71]

Curious, how did you measure the 15bps? Did you use a hyperframe or something?

[pip_999]

Originally posted by nuggy43
I easily get my classic mag up to 15 bps with no problems.

boy thats the highlight of my day

lol 15bps

[BlackVCG]

Odyssey Paintball has a video of a HyperFrame Mag at 16bps. It's having no problems.

[Croix71]

I finally saw those videos early this month. They exceeded their bandwith last month.

[xmetal2001]

im not positive, but i think i remember reading that you actually start getting shootdown at 7bps but its not noticable until somewhere around 11-12

[ScoobYSnax]

Thanks xmetal, that was exactly what I was looking for. Anyone else back up xmetal's numbers? Let me know, thanks!

[Gunga]

Originally posted by xmetal2001
im not positive, but i think i remember reading that you actually start getting shootdown at 7bps but its not noticable until somewhere around 11-12

Welp, I for one didn't notice any shootdown in that Halo/Hyperframed Mag from '93 video. :)

[bamboo]

lol easily 15 bps
lol most ppl with slow trigger fingers can easily shoot 10 bps

i wonder how u measured ur "15 bps"

back in the day i think the major problem for such crazy shootdown was that most everyone was on CO2 and when u fire fast u would start to get liquid in the gun and then it would fire like a drunken monkey.

i dunno, i don't have any numbers either, i just had to laugh at the "15 bps" and "slow trigger finger 8-10 bps" thing.

[FooTemps]

Originally posted by bamboo
lol easily 15 bps
lol most ppl with slow trigger fingers can easily shoot 10 bps

i wonder how u measured ur "15 bps"

back in the day i think the major problem for such crazy shootdown was that most everyone was on CO2 and when u fire fast u would start to get liquid in the gun and then it would fire like a drunken monkey.

i dunno, i don't have any numbers either, i just had to laugh at the "15 bps" and "slow trigger finger 8-10 bps" thing.

lol... Seems like you're fairly new here... if you go to the oddysey website there is a video that has a hyperframe mag with stock AIR valve and halo doing 15 bps... Don't laugh, it's the truth! lol

[pumpamatic]

I can comfortably shoot about 7. If you put a firecracker under my seat, I can shoot about 12 at the most, with my Dye frame. Try to think of your accuracy more than how fast you shoot. Once you've shot your mag enough, speed is not even on your mind and you can fling a decent speed of balls without much thought. I would purchase a decent couple of barrels and good air system before thinking of getting a retro.

[bamboo]

that doens't change the fact that most people with ANY trigger cannot shoot over 9-11 bps including pros. put any trigger frame on it u want. a person with a slow trigger finger cannot easily shoot 8-10 bps on anything, doesn't matter if its a hyperframe. just because a gun can shoot fast doesn't mean U can shoot it that fast.

[subbeh]

How the hell can you guys "comfortably" shoot 10 or so balls a second with no assistance, just your fingers...

How are you measuring this?

Seems... far-fetched in the least.

Try recording it on your computer and look at the spikes.

When my RT goes waaaaaaaaaaaaay reactive I get about 7-10, TOPS!

[Trunnion]

i'm just curious, but how would i go about measuring my rate of fire? what device do you use? a special chronograph or something? i don't think i shoot any faster than 6 on a good day, and even then only for a rather short span, but i'd like to know for sure.