At how many bps can a regular AIR valve no longer keep up?

[subbeh]

Originally posted by subbeh
Try recording it on your computer and look at the spikes.

I mean like in a sound editing program in the computer.

Or video tape it and play it in slow-mo with the timer on.

[Curly]

well on angels you can check to see how fast you can fire. on a bad day with my friends dark not gassed up i hit 12 bps. so i dont think its impossible at all. and once you gass up a gun you tend to fire a little faster.

[a_malfunction]

The BPS meter on an Angel is flawed... It only measures the time between the two shots that are closest together. It then divides a second by that time and gives you a reading. It is a little inflated.

[Trunnion]

it was my understanding that it is easier to hit a high rate of fire with an electro gun as opposed to straight, no frills mechanical gun. is my understanding incorrect? i thought that was the whole purpose of electro guns, to increase rate of fire. if that IS the case, than hitting 12 bps with an angel is not a great accomplishment, while hitting that rate with just your finger on a single trigger mechanical gun is next to impossible for the average paintballer

[MajorDamage]

Well I can get about 14-15 on my Emag walking the trigger(no way I could get that fast just regular shooting, also I have my trigger set really short and light). I notice skipping when I have it set at 13bps, not many skips when its set at 14 and none at 15. Without walking a trigger 12 or 13 is like max. When I look at the spikes on the sound I recorded, most of the time its not spikes but just a large sound bar lol, the spikes just run together into a big bar :). It's the fastest ive ever heard(that I know of :)).

ENDO!

[ShinyGuy]

I actually prefer a crisp mechanical trigger to the mouse-click feel. I can shoot about 6-7bps acurately out of my mag and about 9-10bps when I'm not actually trying to hit anything. 7-8 is about the best I can do with any of the electos I've tried. I just like the amount of feedback I get mechanical trigger. (I've only shot an RT a couple of times and didn't get the chance to measure ROF, but it was scary fast.)

[pip_999]

lol

this is funny

[hardr0ck68]

lmao

ok all you dopes who say your shooting 15bps fill your hopper counting the exact # of balls (dont just assume 200 cause no hopper on the market really holds exactly 200) then shoot for 5 seconds as fast as possiable. cound the remaining balls, subtract remaining from starting and devide the # shot by 5....i think you will be sadly mistaken. with my retro cookin i can pull 7-8 with my hyperframe i can get lucky and get about the same but ushally shoot less...i ushally dont let the trigger forward enough before i pull again and skip shots. maybe my finger is just slow....but i have been playin for 5 years now and i realized the guy with the fastest trigger finger ushally spends most of his time pullin pods....its all for bragging rights and in the game anything over 9bps is just a waste. you cant post up on your lane if you need to drop behind your bunker to fill up every 30sec.

[hardr0ck68]

as for the origional question

the air valve will keep up with you as long as your finger knows what to do. the air valve will go up to 15bps without shootdown as long as you pull the trigger right everytime....and use air. from my experances after you get going you get shoot down from pulling the trigger again before the on/off has fully oppened, sometimes it causes a shortstroke, other times it causes shootdown (shootdown is just like a lesser shortstroke most of the time). but the retro is mad hard to shortstroke, and i have never had shootdown with mine so its all up to you. if you start shooting so fast you notice shootdown on air then you can either go retro, or get a better finger.

[Ityl]

The key to the regular mag is completing the pull fully. But I'd say if the gun is setup correctly, then a regular mag can hold up to about 12 bps without noticable shootdown, possibly more. But it's hard to notice a couple fps while shooting. Actually shootdown I thought occured at around 10.

[FooTemps]

Re: lmao

Originally posted by hardr0ck68
ok all you dopes who say your shooting 15bps fill your hopper counting the exact # of balls (dont just assume 200 cause no hopper on the market really holds exactly 200) then shoot for 5 seconds as fast as possiable. cound the remaining balls, subtract remaining from starting and devide the # shot by 5....i think you will be sadly mistaken. with my retro cookin i can pull 7-8 with my hyperframe i can get lucky and get about the same but ushally shoot less...i ushally dont let the trigger forward enough before i pull again and skip shots. maybe my finger is just slow....but i have been playin for 5 years now and i realized the guy with the fastest trigger finger ushally spends most of his time pullin pods....its all for bragging rights and in the game anything over 9bps is just a waste. you cant post up on your lane if you need to drop behind your bunker to fill up every 30sec.

that only gives you an average of your bps for the shots. You CAN fire faster but it's hard for a long string like 5 or more seconds... I can barely keep a 2 second string...

[vlhockey22]

No one here shoots faster than 13 bps.Whatever you think your ROF is subtract two from that and thats most likely to be closest to your ROF unless you are actually recording and lsitening to it (then your most likely going to be correct) and for those of you who think your hitting 15 subtract 6 from that and thats probably what your ROF is.(hahahaha 15 bps now thats funny)

[mrbrutal]

on an unmodified hyperframe, max in semi mode is 13bps, 10 for hyper mode. Its not going to let you shoot 15 bps if its set to 13 bps

[pip_999]

aight

notice how the people who have said they can pull 15 bps have suddenly left

[Puddleglum]

Somehow it always seems faster when you're by yourself. But really, most loaders (save Warp and Halo) can't feed any faster than 13-14 bps. And that is if the batteries are fresh. I really doubt the people that are making claims of 13-15 bps are making accurate claims. What AO needs is a universal system to figure your bps count. That way we could all like compete. Good Idea?????