AGD SFL E-MAG VS. WS Dark IR3

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  • Hysperion
    Clare's Dream Guy
    • Sep 2001
    • 444

    #1

    AGD SFL E-MAG VS. WS Dark IR3

    OK who better to review these two guns then someone who owns both?.....

    Presentation....

    SFL E-Mag- gun came in plain white box with bubble wrap around gun protecting it. Gun had sticker on side that said SFL E-mag with a serial number crossed out by hand and a different serial number written below it in ink. Came with video on how to operate.

    Dark IR3- gun came in proffesional packaging with full-color manual and foam box.

    Winner: Dark IR3.......huge difference.......

    Performance....

    SFL E-Mag- Performance is very erratic. On some days she will shoot beautifully while on other days she will break every 3rd ball no matter what paint you use. If we talk about actual speed the e-mag wins, but who cares how much paint you're shooting if it's not going at the target.....

    Dark IR3- I've only used it once so far so I'm by no means an expert on it but I shot 2500 rounds without a break that right there tells you something for the gun....

    Winner: Dark IR3.....When the sfl isn't breaking left and right the performance is very similiar between the two. Unfortunately it never isn't breaking.

    Looks....

    SFL E-Mag- no doubt it's a very nice looking gun, needs to get rid of the cheesy led though.

    Dark IR3- Great looking lcd, puts the lcd in the standard lcd angel to shame. Awesome anodizing.

    Winner: Dark IR3...this is a two sided coin because while some might think the sfl looks better, that's not what I based this decision on. When I got my sfl there were small hairline scratches in the anodizing that you see when you look close. Also the trigger frame looks like they anodized over something or forgot to polish it because it isn't the exact color of the rest of the gun. On the other hand, the dark ir3 didn't have a single scratch anywhere on the finish when I got it. This is what I based my decision on here. The angel just feels so much more refined and not so slapped together.[/B]

    Triggers....

    SFL E-Mag-This is definately where the e-mag stands out. I love the magnet feel.

    Dark IR3-Good trigger, fairly easy to adjust to however you want it.

    Winner: SFL E-Mag There's something to be said about the trigger bouncing back in hybrid mode after you shoot it or switching the gun into manual if the electronics die.

    Overall Opinion

    I haven't had much luck with the e-mag. Ever since I got it it has been one problem after another. The last 2 times I've used it it has worked suprisingly well and a teammate of mine that used it last sunday while I was gone commented that he liked it and didn't have any problems with it. On the same hand the gun cost $1450. That's only $300 less then my dark ir3 and the same price as a C&C IR3 which comes with a barrel. Everything about the ir3 is just better. LCD over Led, Grips are 10x better, frame is more comfortable, 10x the features (ya half of them are worthless).....for those of you waiting for the release of the E-Mag X-Treme just know that the real deal (aka ir3) is out right now.
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  • Croix71
    Registered User
    • Mar 2002
    • 717

    #2
    Wish I could own both an SFL and an IR3, at the same time, to do such a test.






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    • Hysperion
      Clare's Dream Guy
      • Sep 2001
      • 444

      #3
      and does the e-mag come with your name programmed in it direct from the company you ordered it from?
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      • Cliffio
        No Sig's or Av's is Gay
        • Nov 2001
        • 4592

        #4
        thats good stuff to know, i cant wait until i can get enough together to get one!

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        • oneshot
          UW-Whitewater Paintball
          • Sep 2001
          • 767

          #5
          with that color the dark does not look half bad, nice gun, nice review.



          also off the subject , but were did you get the gray piece that is clamped around your nitro duck tank from? I have the same tank and have been looking for something like that so for awile
          Last edited by oneshot; 04-29-2002, 09:21 AM.
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          • SprayingMango
            i cant wait to blog this
            • Feb 2002
            • 4557

            #6
            yeahhhhh boy! IR3 all the way BABY! :) :)

            yeah you can program it to say anything up to 5 letters long when the gun is live. It bounces back and forth between "Live" and "Angel" or "Brian" or "Mango" as mine says. :)

            Live Mango! watch out!

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            • CaPoEiRa
              Registered User
              • Feb 2002
              • 3312

              #7
              and does the e-mag come with your name programmed in it direct from the company you ordered it from?
              and what real purpose would this have in addition to the other useless features on the ir3, I dont see how that alone would make it a better marker.

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              • SprayingMango
                i cant wait to blog this
                • Feb 2002
                • 4557

                #8
                no one said it would make it better. he was just pointing that out. The only "useless" feature on the IR3 is the ability to change the name (it's not listed as a feature anyway). Everything else has practicle use for the marker and the performance/maintenence.

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                • Spaceman613
                  Guinness taste tester
                  • Jan 2002
                  • 550

                  #9
                  I would actually buy an angel, if it came with a regular 45 frame and no LCD.... but I will have to settle for an emag when they hit production (extreme version)... If only they didnt come with the LED... Now that would be a great gun for me. I hate lights on my markers..

                  Oh and for the packaging, I would rather have a plain box than a flashy "Wal Mart style" box. Shows that whats inside is more important than whats on the outside. But thats just MY opinion.

                  And its true, that color acrually makes the angel look good. but I still think the SFL looks better, another opinion.
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                  • CaPoEiRa
                    Registered User
                    • Feb 2002
                    • 3312

                    #10
                    infrared data transfer "has practicle use for the marker and the performance/maintenence"? oh I agree about the packaging, who cares what the box looks like! Anyway, I'm not bashing ir3's or anything, I'm sure they're awesome...
                    Last edited by Clare; 04-29-2002, 10:00 AM.

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                    • Cliffio
                      No Sig's or Av's is Gay
                      • Nov 2001
                      • 4592

                      #11
                      the infra red does have preactical uses... if you are having software probelms that can be fixes without the need for another board the infra red beam from a "fixed" ir3 can make your ir3 run smoothly again, it can also send personal preferences from gun to gun, but mainly it can be used to fix internal problems

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                      • Hysperion
                        Clare's Dream Guy
                        • Sep 2001
                        • 444

                        #12
                        and what real purpose would this have in addition to the other useless features on the ir3, I dont see how that alone would make it a better marker.

                        I wasn't saying it would make it a better marker, just that it's a cool feature and one that I like having on my gun.

                        infrared data transfer "has practicle use for the marker and the performance/maintenence"? oh I agree about the packaging, who cares what the box looks like! Anyway, I'm not bashing ir3's or anything, I'm sure they're awesome....

                        I was like you once Cap....AGD all the way....then I spent $1500 on a lemon and got responses like "It's that darn angel detent the only product we don't make." Funny because the angel detent seems to work fine on my angel....It's ok though, you guys might think I just dislike AGD or something but would I spend $1500 on one of their markers if I didn't like them? Obviously not and if I didn't like it I wouldn't have removed it from sale. It is actually a decent marker but for $1500 there is much better stuff out there. The IR3 is lighter, looks better (this is an opinion but it's not an opinion that the gun is much more refined), costs about the same, has a nice lcd, and plain rips. By the way the infra-red feature does have a practical use, there is an option that is worthless right now on the ir3 that says H.U.D., according to rumors I've heard, they're coming out with a mask or something that the gun sends info like game time remaining etc. and it is displayed in the mask...
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                        • Hysperion
                          Clare's Dream Guy
                          • Sep 2001
                          • 444

                          #13
                          Oh and for the packaging, I would rather have a plain box than a flashy "Wal Mart style" box. Shows that whats inside is more important than whats on the outside. But thats just MY opinion.

                          Packaging doesn't show anything. All it shows is the company took the time to present their product nicely. The packaging means nothing in terms of the markers performance. And having a cheap box doesn't show that what's inside is more important, it shows the company didn't want to spend money on marketing. This is 100% fine with me 100% of the time. Unfortunately, in this case the dark ir3 not only looks better on the outside, it looks better on the inside and performs better as well...At least you said "but thats just MY opinion."....Because it is your wrong opinion.
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                          • Hysperion
                            Clare's Dream Guy
                            • Sep 2001
                            • 444

                            #14
                            oneshot that piece on the nitro duck was custom made by my teammate who is a machinist.
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                            • mykroft
                              Registered User
                              • Jan 2001
                              • 2010

                              #15
                              On the packaging, WDP's IR3 packaging is very subdued, but classy. It's a matt blue box that says angel, and has the WDP motto at the bottom, open it up and it's high-quality foam, like what's used to package Electonic test equipment.
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