AGD SFL E-MAG VS. WS Dark IR3

[CRASHKING]

cool looking

still going to buy an extreme though

[TITAN]

Originally posted by CRASHKING

now if the ir3 was done that way they might have gotten rid of the "space frame" since it is weird looking(no offense)or they might have thought of something else that might have improved the performance.

have you even ever held an ir3 and really felt the spaceframe? and who cares if its wierd looking if it makes it easier to play and improves performance?

as some of you said how agd does r&d and stuff instead of making nice packaging wdp spent almost 2 years designing this gun so dont go and say they just slapped it together and shipped it off the tested this and made sure everything worked before they were sent off and yeah sure some might have bugs but all new guns do...

[Cliffio]

Originally posted by TITAN
as some of you said how agd does r&d and stuff instead of making nice packaging wdp spent almost 2 years designing this gun so dont go and say they just slapped it together and shipped it off the tested this and made sure everything worked before they were sent off and yeah sure some might have bugs but all new guns do...

thank you.

[CRASHKING]

Originally posted by TITAN


as some of you said how agd does r&d and stuff instead of making nice packaging wdp spent almost 2 years designing this gun so dont go and say they just slapped it together and shipped it off the tested this and made sure everything worked before they were sent off and yeah sure some might have bugs but all new guns do...

no body said anything about either two being slaped toget her and shipped.
besides cliffio was saying that no-one wants oe done that way which is true

anyways why dont we stop fighting over this and return to peace?

after all it is material stuff we are talking about next year or the year after that something better will be out.

just like the computer industry

[2000Sabre]

I don't think hysperion is out of line with anything he posted in this thread. I happen to think in some aspects he's right on. All he is saying is that in his opinion the IR3 is presented better and has performed better in his limited use of the product.

It's too bad that Tom feels like he's being beaten up because I don't think that this thread is a slam on himself, AGD or the SFL. I would hope that he would take it in the spirit in which was intended.

I also own an SFL and it has not lived up to expectations as well. I have posted several threads on performance problems with my marker and it's on it's way back to AGD for a look see. I'm not giving up on it yet but I'm seriously considering buying an Angel as well. The perception that an Angel performs better and is easier on paint has a lot to do with my decision. Whether this is true or not, perception is often reality. I think AGD should take a look at what it can do to turn this perception around.

I disagree that the SFL has been released as a small beta run because it's not sold that way to people who are buying them. In my opinion a fifteen hundred dollar marker should come with professionally prepared documentation (not two pages staples together) and a video which is specific to the gun you've purchased. Granted none of these have anything to do with how it performs but it goes a long way to providing a buyer a satisfactory experience. Would you be happy if you bought a high end luxury car only to find out it's full of left over chevy chevette parts and has an owners manual from a volkswagen beatle? I don't think so.

If AGD wants to be considered a high end player in this market then it should act like one. Even if it means delaying product and we shouldn't pressure them into releasing product before it's ready. This includes the appropriate level of documentation.

Buck up Tom. We all appreciate the time you put in here on AO and the opportunities you provide us. It's not all gloom and doom. I think you still have some room for improvements and if all we did was blow sunshine up your butt you wouldn't respect us.

[Cliffio]

well said.

[liigod]

::imagine me with both my hands out like a scale::

over 1.3k for a gun with anti chop features and a purdy lcd and some colors and stuff
1700 bucks for the geard up one (dark ir3)
(ir3)
::looks at right hand::

550 for base or around 700 for the whole gun setup reg and all with anti chop features and purdy lcd.
900 for the nice geard up one (gz timmah)
(intimidator)

::looks at left hand, and lets right hand drop to my side::

thats 800 bucks for a few features like purdyness, and a few degrees on the grip frame angle, and being made in england (which isnt a plus in my book).

Im shure that your dark ir3 is an amazing gun, that shoots well. But your comparign a dud sfl emag to about the most expensive gun u can buy. I liked your review, but i just wanted to toss out there what i think on this subject for all those people who wana get a dark ir3 now.

Remember always ask, will i play better because of this feature? Will i play 800 dollars better!?!?!

[DjGruv]

That does look good...

[damageinc54]

I bought my EMag with a centerfeed body and it broke more paint than any gun I had ever shot. I was ready to sell the EMag and buy an IR3. I felt that I had paid 1250.00 for a pretty red blender. I swithced to a powerfeed body and now I am not breaking nearly as much paint. A broken ball here and there, nothing unusual. Otherwise I have had no problems with the EMag. However, if I do start having any kind of persistent problems with my EMag, I will not hesitate to drop it and buy an IR3. It seems to me that I am reading a lot of posts here about guys having trouble with the SFL's. Why is that??? I do agree that some nice packaging and a professional looking manual and video would be nice with a $1000.00+ gun. For as long as AGD has been around I would expect much more from them in packaging, manuals, and getting new products out. I feel that they take far too long to get out new products and it is starting to look like they are getting left behind in many areas. You can see by my signature that I do support AGD products, but I would like to see more from them.

[Snooky]

I also have seen problems with SFL's on the boards. However there I have also seen people that love thier sfl's.

I have no feeling towards the angel due to i have never shot it. however i have shot a emag extreme and it was one hell of a gun.

As for my money AGD gets it.

[AGDRules]

well...

AGD is for me

[the JoKeR]

Originally posted by AGD
Humm, I'm feeling pretty beaten up right now. Now I know why John Rice doesn't want to get involved on the net.

If it'll make you feel better, Hysperion will probably be at Sam's Big Game this weekend. Maybe you could stop on up and 'demonstrate' how well the Mag really works? Hehehe

[hitech]

Here is another point of view...

Presentation....

SFL E-Mag- gun came in plain white box with bubble wrap around gun protecting it. Gun had sticker on side that said SFL E-mag with a serial number crossed out by hand and a different serial number written below it in ink. Came with video on how to operate.

Dark IR3- gun came in professional packaging with full-color manual and foam box.

Winner: SFL E-Mag. While it would have been better to wait until the serial number could be properly engraved the enclosed video beats a full-color manual any day.

Performance....

SFL E-Mag- It very fast. The magnetic trigger is hard to beat. At first it was breaking more pain than I would like but rounding the face of the bolt fixed that. Normally I wouldn't be to thrilled about having to make that kind of modification myself. However, other markers have the same problem and at least I knew (thanks to the manufacturer) how to fix it. And man is it fast.

Dark IR3- I've only used it once so far so I'm by no means an expert on it but I shot 2500 rounds without a break that right there tells you something for the gun....

Winner: E-Mag by a VERY small margin.

Looks....

SFL E-Mag- no doubt it's a very nice looking gun. I prefer the original E-Mag looks, but one of the new C&C Extremes is really nice.

Dark IR3- Great looking lcd, puts the lcd in the standard lcd angel to shame. Awesome anodizing.

Winner: Dark IR3... While I like the looks of one of the new C&C Extremes better it's not what we are reviewing.

Triggers....

SFL E-Mag-This is definately where the e-mag stands out. I love the magnet feel.

Dark IR3-Good trigger, fairly easy to adjust to however you want it.

Winner: SFL E-Mag There's something to be said about the trigger bouncing back in hybrid mode after you shoot it or switching the gun into manual if the electronics die.

Overall Opinion

I haven't had much luck with the E-Mag. Hopefully the rounded bolt will fix the paint breakage problems. The last 2 times I've used it, it has worked surprisingly well and a teammate of mine that used it last Sunday while I was gone commented that he liked it and didn't have any problems with it. On the same hand the gun cost $1450. That's $300 less then my dark ir3 so I have $300 dollars left for upgrades. Grips are first on the list.

[Hysperion]

Originally posted by liigod: Im shure that your dark ir3 is an amazing gun, that shoots well. But your comparign a dud sfl emag to about the most expensive gun u can buy. I liked your review, but i just wanted to toss out there what i think on this subject for all those people who wana get a dark ir3 now.

I'm comparing a dud sfl emag to the most expensive gun you can buy? (Hey, you're the one that said the sfl e-mag was the dud not me. And I highly doubt mine is simply a dud because I'm definately not the only person having problems.) Do you know what an sfl costs? $1450 without a barrel...I paid $1780 for my dark ir3 and got a lifetime labor warranty and barrel. Considering the fact that the C&C IR3 is about $1500 with a barrel I'd say both the ir3 and sfl e-mag are in the exact same price category. The price will not even be a reason somebody would buy an ir3 over an sfl or the other reason around, they are too close. And comparing the ir3 to a gz timmy is a complete joke, the angel is 60x more advanced. If a gz timmy is so great and such a great price why aren't more people buying it over the ir3? I don't know about you but I think the ir3 has outsold the gz timmy like 10 to 1......

And it's not like I don't like my sfl. I didn't sell it even when I got the offer I was looking for because I know I'll eventually get some low-pressure stuff that will probably make it work good. And i'm not dissing on AGD either because if I didn't like AGD my first three guns (68,rt pro, sfl) wouldn't have all been made by them......

[Hysperion]

BTW hitech, if you didn't spend $1450 on a gun that gives you problems all the time you don't have any right to promote it/diss it or try and change other people's opinions. The sfl was $300 cheaper but after I spent $180 on the matching boomy and $50 on the drop, it was nearly the same price. However, I love the fact that they don't include a barrel because as happened with my ir3, I bought a freak and will never use the stock barrel anyways. And also the video is nowhere near as nice (not that the video is bad, just that a manual would be nice) as the included manual unless you haven't learned to read yet. It's real easy for people to come on here and go, "ya, you're wrong, AGD rules"....Go buy a $1450 lemon then come back here and tell me that.....Fortunately, the e-mag seems to be working pretty well lately, hopefully it will stay that way...