AGD SFL E-MAG VS. WS Dark IR3

[bornl33t]

there's one thing that the angle CAN'T do. And even if the Angel was 1000$ vs. and E-mag @1500$. The angel is a paper weight after the batt dies. So if you think the angel is all that, and buy into pretty looks, pretty lcd, pretty boxes. I hope you went ahead and boughta second batt. Cause at the end of the day, I'll still be playing

NO if's, but's, when's, about's. The angel is inferior.

[krafty]

Has anyone bothered to point out that the SFL is really a Shocktech product, using AGD parts? Any complaints about packaging should be directed not at Airgun, but at Shocktech.

[Cliffio]

no one is complaining

he was merely comparing the two


this is getting out of hand, no one is reading all the posts and everyone is taking this as an attack on the sfl when its really not

i suggest everyone read this thread before posting

Cliff

[hitech]

Originally posted by Hysperion
BTW hitech, if you didn't spend $1450 on a gun that gives you problems all the time you don't have any right to promote it/diss it...

Yes I do. I do not need to spend any money to have the right to give my opinion.

Originally posted by Hysperion
The sfl was $300 cheaper but after I spent $180 on the matching boomy and $50 on the drop, it was nearly the same price.

There are the upgrades I was referring to. If you want to compare the prices you have to add those to the Angel also.

Originally posted by Hysperion
And also the video is nowhere near as nice (not that the video is bad, just that a manual would be nice) as the included manual unless you haven't learned to read yet.

I haven't seen the SFL video, but assumeing it is at least as good as the classic 'mag one, I would MUCH rather have the video than a full-color manual.

Originally posted by Hysperion
Go buy a $1450 lemon then come back here and tell me that. Fortunately, the e-mag seems to be working pretty well lately, hopefully it will stay that way.

I understand your frustration. I would just have a different attitude. When I purchase something as bleeding edge as the SFL I expect to have some problems. And in general, I wait until they are worked out before I purchase. But that's just me.

The inability to handle brittle paint can happen to anyone. I saw an Angel having far worse problems than you when no one else was having problems. He had an expensive wagner power painter. He wasn't able to get ANY paintball out intact. Strangely the problem cured itself after squeegeeing and cleaning the maker for most of the game. I hope your SFL continues to work well. After hearing what Tom is working on your SFL will end up being easier on brittle paint than ANY OTHER MARKER.

[the JoKeR]

Originally posted by hitech
I haven't seen the SFL video, but assumeing it is at least as good as the classic 'mag one, I would MUCH rather have the video than a full-color manual.

I don't own either gun (yet), but with the Angel, isn't the manual basically the size of a telephone book? I would like to see more manufacturers put out instructions that are comprehensive and complete. I picked up a regulator for my gun recently and it had nothing with it. No warranty info, no rebuild info, no diagram with part numbers for reordering parts, no phone number, nothing. It all goes back to the marketing part of this thread. AGD doesn't set the world on fire with their shipping boxes, but you get what you need.

[hitech]

Originally posted by the JoKeR
AGD doesn't set the world on fire with their shipping boxes...

No. However, I cannot understand wanting a color manual instead of the video. IMO (I'm never humble, can you tell?) the video is FAR superior to a manual.

[TITAN]

Originally posted by Heat
there's one thing that the angle CAN'T do. And even if the Angel was 1000$ vs. and E-mag @1500$. The angel is a paper weight after the batt dies. So if you think the angel is all that, and buy into pretty looks, pretty lcd, pretty boxes. I hope you went ahead and boughta second batt. Cause at the end of the day, I'll still be playing

NO if's, but's, when's, about's. The angel is inferior.

wow! your a moron who do you think is gonna be dumb enough not to charge it? plus the battery lasts like what 28 fulls days or so and has alot more shots on a battery than an emag! im really sick of hearing people say this...

and i cant stand all these people that think that they have to be dedicated to one company! there are many other good guns out there... i love agd and their products but i also love angels so i use both. why dont you guys stop tryin to flame him for making his point and giving his opinion.

[Spaceman613]

Originally posted by TITAN


wow! your a moron why dont you guys stop tryin to flame him for making his point and giving his opinion.

Road goes both ways. Not just for you, but for all of us.

I think his statement about the paperweight needed to be taken with a grain of salt. The manual mode is a huge sellin gpoint IMO, but other guns have better features.

He like the IR3 better right now, maybe in a month the mag will gain his trust again. Who cares, they are HIS GUNS, and HIS OPINIONS..

And I do agree that this brand loyalty thing is sometimes taken a bit too far. And they make fun of Shatner's disciples????

[the JoKeR]

Originally posted by hitech


No. However, I cannot understand wanting a color manual instead of the video. IMO (I'm never humble, can you tell?) the video is FAR superior to a manual.

I got enough information out of the RT video to rebuild the RT and valve, but I've heard that the Angel book goes into great detail, which I'm sure it needs due to all the programming options. For something that involved, I'd prefer the manual. Guns like the RT and most other guns that won't wake you up in the morning with a nice cup of coffee (I hear the next Angel will do that!) don't need that much info and a video works fine. Then again, my workbench doesn't have a TV/VCR, so the maual is handy...

[Cliffio]

ok ive had both now lets compare them

the angel book has full color maps and answers just about every one of the features on the angel

it also has a diagram that tells you what kind of loctite was used on what screw, very helpfull!



now i have a micro emag and the videro i got was of a regular emag, how helpfull do you think this was to me?
NOT VERY, maybe the principals)sp) are the same but model wise i have an aluminum body and it is MUCH different that the regular emag


at least the angel book convers each and EVER angel lcd
not just a specific type of angel lcd


Cliff

[Hysperion]

I can say with 99.9999999% certainty that the people on here dissing angels have never owned one brand new from the factory. And that part about the battery dieing is a joke. You can charge the battery for 10 minutes in your car and play all day. For example on the angel there is a battery readout with 3 bars. Last time I played I fully charged it. That day I shot around 2500 paintballs. I haven't charged it since but the gun is constantly turned on with me messing around with it. Right now it has 2 bars. If the battery ever gets low just stick it in the car for 10 minutes and your set. Besides manual mode isn't that great anyways, I mean it's nice to have but lets face it you're not gonna be ripping going from an e-trigger to a heavy pull.

[Hysperion]

When I purchase something as bleeding edge as the SFL I expect to have some problems.

Well when I spend $1500 on a marker I don't.....and besides the ir3 is arguably more advanced then the sfl and it hasn't given me any problems out of the box....If you're happy with paying 15 bills for an incomplete marker, by all means buy an sfl with my blessing. This stuff about wait for the low-pressure upgrades is a joke, who knows when that will be released and who knows when the warp breeches will be released.

[Rooster]

"And comparing the ir3 to a gz timmy is a complete joke, the angel is 60x more advanced. If a gz timmy is so great and such a great price why aren't more people buying it over the ir3? I don't know about you but I think the ir3 has outsold the gz timmy like 10 to 1...... "

LoL, now who's the one who is blindly brand loyal. I have never seen an angel preform any better than a timmy. Admitedly i havn't gotten my hands on the newest version of either yet. Your question is beyond flawed, its like asking why Nike outsells Reebok, when Reebok is as good quality wise and yet cheaper, its becuase all the other kids have Nike shoes.

[TITAN]

Originally posted by Rooster

LoL, now who's the one who is blindly brand loyal. I have never seen an angel preform any better than a timmy. Admitedly i havn't gotten my hands on the newest version of either yet. Your question is beyond flawed, its like asking why Nike outsells Reebok, when Reebok is as good quality wise and yet cheaper, its becuase all the other kids have Nike shoes.

thats not why i but angels or any other gun but because its my personal preference and the angel is one of the best.
and i have never seen a timmy out perform an angel... timmy's are crap and i would never own one again after having problems with 2. the shoot just like a spyder with a ****ty trigger. angels are much better than timmys but thats my personal opinion.

[bornl33t]

Originally posted by TITAN


wow! your a moron who do you think is gonna be dumb enough not to charge it? plus the battery lasts like what 28 fulls days or so and has alot more shots on a battery than an emag! im really sick of hearing people say this...

and i cant stand all these people that think that they have to be dedicated to one company! there are many other good guns out there... i love agd and their products but i also love angels so i use both. why dont you guys stop tryin to flame him for making his point and giving his opinion.

Gotta be careful when ya start flaming ppl, YA KNOW? Speacially when the one your flaming admits to being a major hot head and has no considerations for flameing back. Luck you I'm in a good mood. OH, and it has a tendancy to get whole threads shut down.

And just so you know... ppl ARE dumb enough to forget to charge their guns. Happens all the time and YOU know it.

How old are you btw?