Ir3 On Crack!!!

[Kaiser Bob]

Originally posted by BartManSr
Kaiser Bob, I wonder if you would of said anything at all if it was the other way around.

Of course were in the Mag forum here, I'm just trying to be objective and fair. Not saying your not.

Yes I would because WDP, WGP, AGD or whatever, the whole 'My gun is surperior to yours' nonsence tends to wear thin after a while. I have decided... my next gun is a Spyder darnit!

[Rooster]

Heh, this is very interesting, both Angel owners and Mag owners getting defensive. Its nice to see its e-mag and angel back and forth, and nothing else.

It won't be long until AGD has a strong second in high-end sales, and not long after that until they have the top spot.

[Mango]

Originally posted by Cristobal


I'd also like to thank WDP et al for producing the video and making it available, and spraying mango for posting the link to it. Even if it has caused some controversy, the technical discussion that resulted has been interesting to say the least.

Spoken like a true gentelman and paintball enthusiast!!! Thank you Cristobal!

[RobAGD]

Originally posted by Arch Angel


I would very much like for you to send me a link to these images featuring IR3s.

Humm I dont belive I said IR3 I said Angel witch to some extent covers teh Ir3 and let just say Todd Martinez, Marti Gras Open 16" barrel planted 12" into the mud ?

Humm Look at many many of the pics in Facefull with paint dripping out of barrels.

To say the Angel dosent break paint is like saying it never rains in Seattle. It happens, and people dont like to admit it.

Dont be blinded to the short comings of your prefered marker, I am not.

I really wasn't taking this to a performance area or attacking WDP. The fact that the video shows the COPS system working and what is can do when set up correctly is great.

Would I like to see a video of an Angel actually spitting balls out the end of the tube at 20FA, Sure. Will it happen ? I dont personally think so. Maybe with the HALO B there is a chance.

BTW - Ken Crane is a Tech for WDP, one of thier best tournament guys to have around and working on your kit. He will get cut a bit of slack. I am sorry if this thread has caused him some personal issues. Unless Ken completely looses his mind he will always be welcome here as with anyone that is will to have behave and have somewhat rational discussions.

Guys relax, grab a drink and chill the F out :) It's only paintball.


-Robert

[Arch Angel]

Originally posted by RobAGD
Dont be blinded to the short comings of your prefered marker, I am not.

Blinded? Far from it... I know the Angel chops, there's no such thing as a marker that does not.

But you make the statement of Angels and I merely asked for an Angel photo (IR3 in this case) with the scenario you presented.

The lack of accuracy in your original comment left it open for comment. Seeing that this entire thread is about picking apart intricate comments, I've decided to pick apart yours.

I merely asked for a photo of an IR3 with paint oozing out and I look forward to the email in my inbox with the attached photo.

[AGD]

Arch, don't take it personaly but since you asked specifically we already had a discussion about this pic. Note the faint drip line at the front of the breach.

http://home.attbi.com/~zo/ir3.jpg

[dansim]

that could be where he got shot and then wiped as all (most) pros do, or he chopped either way a lil bit of my sould dies every time i see that pic

[Butterfingers]

Bottom Line...

This whole controversey could have been a misunderstanding of the original posting on Angelowners.com, like a game of telephone words got twisted around in the transaction.

20 BPS was claimed in the post, 20 BPS was not acheived. Thats the bottom line.

If Tom posted a 20 BPS video that was actually 15 BPS you bet alot of people would be on him too.

[dansim]

i only counted 19 in the emag burst and 17 for the angel
no i think the said the ir3 was set to 20bpsnot shooting 20bps and since it was editd couldnt it actually have acheived it or did the shooter keep letting go of the trigger?

[steveg]

It's been said once or twice before but let's repeat it again.

That video was intended as a demonstration of the COPS system

The angel was set to 20BPS FA BECAUSE the HALO classic could NOT keep up.

The stutter and gaps are from the COPS working as it should.
no ball no shot no chop.

Odyssey and AGD have shown that the HALO B can more than keep up with 20BPS FA

It follows that a HALO B on those angels will be able to shoot 20BPS (shootdown is an entirely differant matter!)

Disclaimer: I do not have or even want, an Angel.

[Mango]

*sigh*

[KEN CRANE]

alright if it wasnt for the fact that now being a new member i recive email notifications,i would not have been back here to repost.but after seeing what i did i feel i must.oh but hold on i must go fetch something......ok im back, ------- This is a short video, with a brand new ir3 using the cops sensor. The marker is set on full auto (20 bps) and Frazer is testing adjustments at the factory for the sensor. Zero ball breaks and yes, that was just 200 rds. -------

now that you have read this this for the 20gazillinth time,
where did i say the gun is shooting at 20 bps?for those of you that dont know the angel has digitial settings first rate of fire(mrof) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 then we have (cmrof)alright i wont do it again,1-20 but when the pcb is programmed for full auto 20 is the number.so i put 20 in brackets to say full auto was a setting of 20.DID I SAY THAT THE GUN WAS FIRING 20 BALLS PER SECOND? NO!i made a post on our angel fourm angel-owners.com that fraser was shooting the ir3 with cops on fully auto with no ball breaks.and just so you know now the hallo topped out at 18.5 bps due to design.when the spring binds, then gravity takes over then 13 is the number.you have a member that calculated 18.9 i beleive.good job on that one.who gives a flying xxxxx if it fires 15-18 or even 30 ?what i care about is the gun does not break paint between 10 and lets say 13.keep this in mind when the gun blips on what ever test that is done,when you see the blip and say'see it blipped'thats the ball that may have broken or got chopped and it didnt!why becuse the c.o.p.s worked as designed.hey we got back to my original point!!!.now rob i dont want you to think im angry so dont.i dont need any slack cut to me.this is actualy quite funny.now to the hard dirty facts.first off.todds gun firmly planted in the dirt in new orleans.1 wdp didnt take very kindly to seeing the brand new ir3 stuck barrel first in the terra firma.todd answered to that and took the discussion wdp had with him like a man that hes is.BUT AGAIN!somone put that picture added words to it and bam it was the gun.it had nothing to do with the gun.as anyone that saw what happened they would know that it was thrown during an argument on the feild between players and refs.end of story.and please dont beat this up any more its just not worth the fight.ok for my 2 cents.last year at the world cup a simple survey was conducted and at gettysburg and it was determand that over 70 percent of the field was using angels.that is why you see them over and over on the cover of every mag in the world!!! and yes i will take responsib. for that survey.lol
HEY COME AND VISIT US ON TUESDAY(ACTUALY MONDAY) AT ANGEL-OWNERS.COM FOR SOME VERY COOL INFO WE HAVE FOR ALL ANGEL OWNERS. HE HE THE ULTIMATE TEASE!!!!! THANKS FOR YOUR TIME

[KEN CRANE]

HEY ! one more thing this has not caused me any personal issues here so bring it on.the more hits the better.500plus hits on this subject alone.www.performanceangel.com coming to a theater near you soon.

[BEEFYSAUSAGE]

NOW IM AMAZED

Either you Americans eat too much red meat or its just a flash back independance thing about the U.K. being better,
BEEFY.

[Arch Angel]

Originally posted by AGD
Arch, don't take it personaly but since you asked specifically we already had a discussion about this pic. Note the faint drip line at the front of the breach.

Thanks Tom. That's all I asked for was a picture. I'm glad you were able to provide me one, Rob seemed to have a difficult time.

Thank you.