First Hiccup in LVL10

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  • AGD
    The man from AGD

    • Oct 2000
    • 5916

    #1

    First Hiccup in LVL10

    Future LVL10 Users,

    We have found our first issue with the LVL10 parts. The o-ring carrier (4) comes in 5 different sizes to properly fit the variations in the power tube o-ring. In setting up the first few guns for our teams SWARM and AGDPride we came across the following problems.

    When using carrier #2 and finding that the oring is too loose on the bolt, you should then switch to carrier #1 which is 3 thousands smaller and in theory should give you the right fit. It turns out that the batch of o-rings we have is right in the middle and is too loose with one carrier and too tight with the next one up the line.

    THIS IS NOT A SHOW STOPPER!! But we had to put in an emergency order of "tweener" carriers that are in between the current sizes. So now there will be like 9 carriers to choose from. The problem is that they will be marked funny to tell them apart. Original carriers have 0,1,2,3 or 4 grooves cut around the outside. The new half sizes will have the same thing except with the addition of 3 small divits around the outside to show that they are half sizes.

    Example 0, 0 with divit, 1, 1 with divit, etc.

    The second problem is that the power tube o-rings sometimes (but not always) break in and get a little bigger. So a gun that is setup and working suddenly starts leaking down the barrel for no reason. You then have to take it apart and go to the next smaller carrier.

    PLAN ON OVER AN HOUR to get your gun setup right. It took us several hours to get 4 guns working here the other night. I warned you that you would be beta testers on this stuff so don't get on here and complain if you can't figure it out the first time.

    We expect that it will take a lot of support for the first guys to get things working right. I don't think our tech lines can handle it so we will be doing as much as we can here in the forum to help everyone out and get them working smoothly. We might not even send instructions so we can constantly update instructions here as this evolves.

    If things go well and we don't get any more things popping up we should be shipping next week.

    Again, things are fine, the product still works, we added more parts to make it easier, it starts doing things you don't expect like leaking, plan on spending time understanding the system. I told you this is tunable like a Cocker, now you get to play with it all week!!

    AGD
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  • personman

    #2
    Ok, we only need to get our gun set up once though, unlike a cocker... RIGHT?!?!? Tom, say yes. :)

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    • AGD
      The man from AGD

      • Oct 2000
      • 5916

      #3
      Yes, once you get it working it should be fine for a long time, unless you want to change velocity drastically.

      AGD
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      • personman

        #4
        WOOHOO!
        Thanks dude, your awesome..
        You dont mind if I call you dude, do you? lol

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        • ShinyGuy
          Elves like shiny
          • May 2001
          • 226

          #5
          How about making the carrier 2 parts that thread together and compress the o-ring? You could probably get .003-.006 of adjustability. It makes the carriers more complex but could reduce the number of sizes you need by half or more. I know O-rings are supposed to have a little space in the grove but I've found compressing them slightly to work for adjusting fit.

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          • netjunk1e
            Oil my gun? Why???
            • Feb 2001
            • 202

            #6
            i can't wait for mine. I always wanted a gun to tinker with and my mag wasn't that til now. I've got to give you credit Tom for being up way too late telling us this stuff!

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            • Mossman
              habitual line stepper
              • Oct 2001
              • 3751

              #7
              Level 10....

              You can fiddle with it like a cocker...except it actually works good :)

              Glad to see you're bringing this to my and my fellow beta tester's attention now, rather than the day we get it, scaring the hell out of everyone
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              • pumpamatic
                TIM-MAY!!!
                • Jun 2001
                • 822

                #8
                So when can we expect the 9 carriers to come with the whole thing? Will they go out with beta tests or will we have to pay the 80 at the official release? Good thing I was forced to wait for a paycheck.

                D'oh, I was thinking he meant public release. I should order mine soon.
                Last edited by pumpamatic; 06-21-2002, 12:59 AM.
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                • Mossman
                  habitual line stepper
                  • Oct 2001
                  • 3751

                  #9
                  I think there going out with the beta...cuz he said shipping hopefully next week.

                  WE LOVE YOU TOM!
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                  • Butterfingers
                    PhD in Automagology
                    • Jan 2001
                    • 2263

                    #10
                    I think I have a general idea of the mechanics of how this thing works...

                    You guys can PM me if you have any problems with L10 and I will try to help you, take some of the load off AGD so they can work on making L10 even better.
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                    • Bob Mundon
                      Registered User
                      • Mar 2002
                      • 59

                      #11
                      you have failed

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                      • Duck Hunt -xi-
                        Llama King
                        • Apr 2002
                        • 115

                        #12
                        lol, that post above isnt cool.

                        anways these o rings, that go with differnt guns, is there a list somewhere that advises us which one to use, depending on what type of gun we have, or am i ganna have to try things out
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                        • zads27
                          Student of Life
                          • May 2001
                          • 565

                          #13
                          cripes!

                          gettin down to o-ring/carrier size tolerances of 0.0015!
                          talk about high tolerances.
                          *shrug*
                          won't stop me from my lvl 10, though.
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                          • virus
                            AO's dirty little secret
                            • Oct 2000
                            • 1524

                            #14
                            hmm... looks like i am going to have some goverment work on the weekends at my job =)

                            all i need to do now it to get my chrono from my buddy and work on it using my "action balls" over the chrono at work..... i'm gonna be on of those "need 2 setups for indoor & outdoor" people..... hopefully by just changing the main springs along with the almighty hex wrench in the back should be all that i need to adjust the velocity.....

                            now as to the comment that we get to play with out mags in a way that resembles a cocker.... i'd like to see a cocker that you can just throw stock, proven parts on and get it workin right away if it starts acting up =)
                            Virus, King of the Basement Trollz has spoken

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                            • Jonno06
                              AKA Jon-no wang
                              • Jan 2002
                              • 4392

                              #15
                              hm.....

                              i dont really see a problem,so what if we have 4 more carriers.This provides for the perfect fit no matter what.....great job Tommy

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