First Hiccup in LVL10

[manike]

Originally posted by cphilip
I realy dread the first kid who gets it and gives up in like half an hour or so.

That was my concern. I didn't want it to do more harm than good.

ATB

manike

[ShooterJM]

I'll chime in here. I've never beta tested a paintball related thing before, but I've done much beta testing on software.

Frame of mind is key! You CAN NOT view this as a finished product. Our JOB is to put this through it's paces, check everything, take copius and useful notes, and identify and try to replicate any glitches we may find.

It's about contributing in some way to make a finished product in the future. Very different from purchasing a finished product. Very different.

[j.t.]

Lets just hope we dont get too many people that give up after a few minutes of tinkering with it...

I dunno about everyone else, but i'm ready to spend COUNTLESS hours getting it fined tuned just the way i like it! I got all summer...

[Vegeta]

Oh god..

Some people on htese forums can't even understand the concept of PT Spacers.. let alone this.

I see lots and lots of questions in the chat room and in hte tech forum. I think I might just take a vacation for a while and just *not* answer questions. I like to help people.. but I do not have the nerve to be a service tech :)

[echoes]

You guys are almost making me regret ordering the level 10 kit... I'll be going away for several weeks right after I receive it so maybe I should have just waited...

[CenterFire]

I don't know about everyone else, but I don't just spend money on something and give up on it if I can't figure it out right away. If money went into it, I'm gonna make it work gosh darnit!

[xatle]

perhaps if this oring was part of the bolt plunger instead of the power tube, might help relieve some of the strict tolerance issues. place the oring high on the plunger, where it changes diameter, so that as soon as the bolt moves the seal breaks allowing some blowby and possibly removing the need for the vent hole.
problem is that we would lose the resistance of this oring and the bolt would be a little faster, so we would have to compensate with longer springs.

just thinkin.

[Bob Mundon]

Originally posted by Army


You try to bash 'Mags on many forums, but you have yet to have a valid, or even a logical, complaint.

In case you are the recpient of public education and could not read all the big words, Tom stated that none of the discovered problems (not failures) would stop you from swapping a part in the kit and continue to play.

It's a glitch. Like all new things, testing will reveal unknown kinks that will be straightened out. This kink has already been straightened out, even before the real world testing has begun.

Now, go home and hug your Teddy Bear.

lol army, i would never say that in any seriousness whatsoever, im sorry you guys dont know me well enough to know i was joking.


and army, despite the fact you have seen me on pbreview forums, you are confusing me with someoen else, i am a mag defender, not a basher, you must be thinking of someone else. hell, my only gun is a mag.

[Cristobal]

In my opinion there should be a highly visible disclamer on the order page explaining (as has been said here) just what it means to be a beta tester -- and some tips on what makes someone good beta tester.

The importance of expecting to take time to get it working and dealing with unforseen problems should be mentioned, along with the air supply issue and the importance of keeping a propper attitude throughout the process.

AGD has a reputation for making solid products, but people need to uderstand that this is a beta test not a special offer to AO of a finished product. If they want a finished product they can wait untill the beta testing gets whatever issues come up ironed out.

[ThePatriot]

Originally posted by Army



In case you are the recpient of public education and could not read all the big words, Tom stated that none of the discovered problems (not failures) would stop you from swapping a part in the kit and continue to play.

Army...are you saying anyone who is publically educated doesnt have the knowledge to properly read and decipher simple text from an online forum? I would like to believe other people who are about my age(16) and from public school arent thought of as some mindless bigots doing nothing but harassing other inviduals online looking for some kicks. Theres just too many megalomaniacal people in this world, doing nothing but wanting the best things in life right now, thinking they have the power to control it.

[hitech]

Originally posted by Cristobal
In my opinion there should be a highly visible disclaimer on the order page explaining (as has been said here) just what it means to be a beta tester...

By the time someone gets to the ordering page they should already know that the product is in beta testing only. They should already know that it may not work correctly the first time, or possibly EVER. They should have already read the "disclaimer". They didn't get to the order page by accident. It was a very real effort on their part. People need to take responsibility for their decisions.

[RT_Luver]

one question...the extremes are coming with Lvl 10, right? will they come setup perfect or wil we have to fiddle with them too??

[Doobie]

hitech:
"People need to take responsibility for their decisions."
That is the problem with some people today, they want to blame other people for everything.
As one kid stated in another thread, he got his mother to order his kit. His mother will probably be the one making the service call at the first sign of trouble, also.
I can't wait to tinker with mine. I think it will be worth many hours of work, reporting, recording, and tinkering again to get a mag set up with the capabilities of the Lvl 10.:)

[bofh]

Originally posted by ThePatriot
Army...are you saying anyone who is publically educated doesnt have the knowledge to properly read and decipher simple text from an online forum?

Technically, Army used an AND operand, so only if both were true would it apply. I can't imagine why, since privately educated readers that can't "read the big words" would also have trouble with this. Now if he had moved the comma in front of the AND, it would have been a different sentence... Maybe Army has a Public Education :)

The above is a complete and total joke, no offense is meant by it in the least.

[echoes]

The bottom line is: Buy at your own risk... We're getting a discounted price for a reason, beta testing, which I'm looking forward to. That said, I probably shouldn't have ordered just because I'll be out of town and have to wait a few weeks to use it anyways.