I know its disturbing, but i almost decided to get an angel, then i saw the amazing capabilities of the lvl 10 at work. i thought ok angels look and feel better and have an lcd screen, then there was AGD, i saw the working videos of lvl 10 pinching paint and i thought ok angels can still breka paint, the emags trigger is better, just the same rof, emags wont break paint EVER, so why not go for it even though its a lil bit more bulky. well my conclusion is AGD/tom kaye are the best in the world, and any kind of emag with lvl 10 will kill any ir3 performance wise. I SEEN THE LIGHT!!!!!
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any Emag can shoot faster than any Angeljust the same rof
if your worried about weight, get a SFL Emag or an Xtremeits a lil bit more bulky
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Im not a fan of this argument....
First off Im not a mag basher, (in fact, after seeing lvl 10 in the videos and firing an rt at the local store, i instantly sold my cocker to get an rt) but it annoys me when people go out and talk about an emag firing faster than an angel,timmy, etc.. because everyone is forgetting one factor.. reality
YES the RT valve is capable of firing faster... and yes it is capable of doing so without shootdown (which are good points *altho heard WAY to often*)... BUT I would mention to you that some 97%(rough estimate which imho is probably still low) of paintball is played without Full auto, turbo, or other echanced firing modes... In semi mode it is not the gun that determines the rof but rather the human ability to pull the trigger.. therefore some guys angel may outshoot your emag as much as 97% of the time...
Now i should also mention that this doesnt take into consideration of hoppers.... I DARE YOU TO TRY FIRING FASTER ON AN EMAG WITH A non motorized loader THAN A HALO/WARPED ANGEL! you can even use full auto if you want....
sorry to vent on you, but this comment is heard ALL to frequently and it annoys me because 97% or more of the time the ROF is even...."Nothing is more beutiful than a warrior with no distractions".
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Of course it is the human factor, however, I've seen guys with angels at my local field ripping it up and dont being as consistant as I've seen the RT's and Emag in quick shot bursts.In semi mode it is not the gun that determines the rof but rather the human ability to pull the trigger.. therefore some guys angel may outshoot your emag as much as 97% of the time...
LOL, dude C'mon don't make me laugh. I can say the same thing to you.(BTW do you really think that anyone with a Emag is going to be using a VL2000 hopperI DARE YOU TO TRY FIRING FASTER ON AN EMAG WITH A non motorized loader THAN A HALO/WARPED ANGEL! you can even use full auto if you want....
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The VL2000 was Viewloaders first motorised loaderOriginally posted by Havoc_online
Emag is going to be using a VL2000 hopper )
I still have one (hhmm or did I just sell it...) I think you may have meant VL200?
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the second part of my post was just merely me being a smart*butt* since you did say ALL...
but in all honasty you would be suprised... i had a customer come into my work to fill a co2 tank... an hour or so later he came back in claiming it was a defective tank or something because his emag wouldnt run on it lol...
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It may annoy you, but deal with it. It seems that you have a problem with PEOPLE shooting faster, not the markers. I will show you how I come to this conclusion.First off Im not a mag basher, (in fact, after seeing lvl 10 in the videos and firing an rt at the local store, i instantly sold my cocker to get an rt) but it annoys me when people go out and talk about an emag firing faster than an angel,timmy, etc.. because everyone is forgetting one factor.. reality
YES the RT valve is capable of firing faster... and yes it is capable of doing so without shootdown (which are good points *altho heard WAY to often*)... BUT I would mention to you that some 97%(rough estimate which imho is probably still low) of paintball is played without Full auto, turbo, or other echanced firing modes... In semi mode it is not the gun that determines the rof but rather the human ability to pull the trigger.. therefore some guys angel may outshoot your emag as much as 97% of the time...Now i should also mention that this doesnt take into consideration of hoppers.... I DARE YOU TO TRY FIRING FASTER ON AN EMAG WITH A non motorized loader THAN A HALO/WARPED ANGEL! you can even use full auto if you want....
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not sure if shartley said it..but
if the mag shoots faster than an angel,and its up to the human,the mag would still be faster....way faster
AND,angels are now capped at 13bps semi,emags,are capped at 16.....faster,like usual......
AND,the emag trigger actually gets lighter as the user pulls it...not sure what that has to do with anything....but its still cool
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Human Factor:
I can't shoot a cocker. If you want to know what an untimed cocker sounds like give a timed cocker and ask me to shoot fast. It's really sad.
Angels, these I can shoot but for me the trigger pull is just a little too short, nice marker though.
Mag. With a good mag I can out shoot a revie. Not everytime mind you but often enough that chopping is a pain.
E-Mag w/ warp.
If I put it hybrid mode I can out shoot any other marker I have or will ever pick up.
You're right there is a human factor involved, but if the marker can't do more than 8 bps then you aren't going to get more than 8 bps out of it.Comment
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Extremes are capped at 24
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Which angels are capped at 13bps?
They can do 20bps in semi; full auto at 13 (for safety reasons i guess).
is 20 more than 16?
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When I first read this post... my jaw dropped to the floor. You just summed up everything I've been looking to say to the people who fall behind Angels shoot the fastest, herd mentality. It amazes me that people don't actually research, the R&D performed to get their marker of choice where it is today. I honestly hope you learned something today Demonguy8 as you can search this forum and find proof to back up Shartley's response, not falsities and fairytales that you may find on other marker forums. Basically as shartley said , in not so many words, you can't base a markers speed only on average ability of the owners who use them. You have to test the marker using the same input. Then base your findings on that. AGD used a computer to pull the trigger and test the Retrovalve up to 26cps (cycles per second) without any measureable shootdwon. Show me where ICD, or WDP, even Bob long did this and was able to cycle faster than AGD's 26! I think you'll be searching for a long time my friend only to come up empty handed. Don't think I'm flaming you either.. just adding my .02
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Damn Demonguy8....you got TOLD!!!!Comment
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Oh boy... if we are talking about firing without shootdown stock angels start having shootdown sub 10 bps. If we are talking about cyclic rate...youre gonna have to prove 30 cps now remember
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