I really don't know what to say...half naked chick or not..i think the billboard is showing off the wrong product..you yourself stated that you thought the warp feed was going to lift AGD out of the dolldrums and in your own eyes it's been a commercial failure which has only now started to hit it's stride and now you're spending all this cash on a billboard showcasing it? I would have gone with something like a shot of the Extreme...with the Websters definition for the word extreme but add a new definition to the end of the websters one, saying something like "The most technically advanced marker from one of the oldest companies in paintball"...and then put a little banner in the corner saying "Now with Level 10"...or a do a banner with a tagline such as "Paint Chops? with level 10 we don't get no stinkin' paint chops!" and then show off the new Extreme...
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You've got to be kidding me if you think that's what CLASS means.Originally posted by MagDog68
Finally someone has enough CLASS to be totally honest!
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Here let me help you with a link...
This is what class means in this context...
"Elegance of style, taste, and manner: "
manike
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It was a joke - seeing as how everyone is talking about CLASS - damn you people are WAAAAYYYYY tooo uptight!Originally posted by manike
You've got to be kidding me if you think that's what CLASS means.
Here let me help you with a link...
This is what class means in this context...
"Elegance of style, taste, and manner: "
manike
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Sorry, Jokes usually come with Smiley faces. Otherise it is hard to tell 'tone of voice' when typing
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I am not up on internet communications and etiquette I guess...my bad. Check it now, makes more sense.
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While it takes another step further down on the class scale, I think hitmang's version of the billboard sure is funnier. If "there's no such thing as bad publicity" why not just a picture of a player holding up the gun and two big words "I SUCK!" People will remember that and talk about it. But then again, I DO think there is such a thing as bad publicity.
Just because you're dead when people aren't talking about you, doesn't mean you aren't dying or dead when they are talking about you. Look at Elvis, all that talking isn't bringing him back, unless you believe the Enquirer article that he was spotted pumping gas in Lodi, California.
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MY GOD PEOPLE!!!!
you need to calm down, seriously. I hope none of you guys watch television, caus there are sexual inuindos(spelling) every where. And the nerve to say that this is a discrace to AGD. Who the He** are you guys to judge AGD, I don't see any of you making decisions on what to put up on a billboard. And I sure don't see you guys running the company making the finest paintball markers in the world. If a parent has a child playing paintball, then chances are that they have seen the girls for ronin gear and other products. This is now worse than them. I just can't believe that the people who don't run AGD should say anything about a "discrace". In my shop I have all sort of little things like this laying around, and the negative comments I get on them is minimal compared to the positive feedback. And no matter what you do there are gonna be a group of people who disagree, so get off AGD's back and go post something constructive.. /flameoffI may be losing,
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Originally posted by P8ntballerAK
MY GOD PEOPLE!!!!
you need to calm down, seriously. I hope none of you guys watch television, caus there are sexual inuindos(spelling) every where. And the nerve to say that this is a discrace to AGD. Who the He** are you guys to judge AGD, I don't see any of you making decisions on what to put up on a billboard. And I sure don't see you guys running the company making the finest paintball markers in the world. If a parent has a child playing paintball, then chances are that they have seen the girls for ronin gear and other products. This is now worse than them. I just can't believe that the people who don't run AGD should say anything about a "discrace". In my shop I have all sort of little things like this laying around, and the negative comments I get on them is minimal compared to the positive feedback. And no matter what you do there are gonna be a group of people who disagree, so get off AGD's back and go post something constructive.. /flameoff
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The King?
Elvis? Where?Originally posted by billmi
Just because you're dead when people aren't talking about you, doesn't mean you aren't dying or dead when they are talking about you. Look at Elvis, all that talking isn't bringing him back, unless you believe the Enquirer article that he was spotted pumping gas in Lodi, California.
See you on the field,
-Bill [/B]
Is he one of that dozen living out in western PA?
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Exactly Shartley, I have a lot of respect for Tom Kayes and the company that he has built through inovation and invention. I believe that the Automag is one on the best designs ever created for a paintball gun and way before it's time.Originally posted by shartley
The problem I see is that Tom is trying to get market share in the wrong way and I think in the end it will backfire. I think the billboard would be fine for a strip joint but not a paintball add at a paintball tourney. Where we are trying to increase public awareness and support for paintball as a competative sport.
In a market where there are now many great paintball guns (ask Tom about all the other guns he owns and loves), Tom is making a wrong move at this time. But that is not my call. I do respect all that Tom has done for me, and all of us here at AO, and I pay back that respect by giving him my honest opinion. I am not flaming, I am trying to help. I think that anyone that has listened to me ramble here at length in the past knows that. This is not about flaming it is about education. I hope we all learn something about the world around us.
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So have your opinions, but don't post that something is a disgrace. Thats just plain wrong. And the /flameoff is turning off my anger, not the burning of a particular post. you seem to be well edumacated shartley, but personaly, I dont believe there is a person here who can talk about this being a disgrace to agd. I believe its quiet the opposite. as for being offended, you offended me by calling this a disgrace, I don't know about you but I am a sexual being and darn proud of it. And so is every other male i know. I hope AGD uses more props like this, and I hope you will refrain from the use of harsh words in the future. You could have just as well said ( I dislike what they have done with the billboard" and made your point.I may be losing,
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Originally posted by P8ntballerAK
So have your opinions, but don't post that something is a disgrace. Thats just plain wrong. And the /flameoff is turning off my anger, not the burning of a particular post. you seem to be well edumacated shartley, but personaly, I dont believe there is a person here who can talk about this being a disgrace to agd. I believe its quiet the opposite. as for being offended, you offended me by calling this a disgrace, I don't know about you but I am a sexual being and darn proud of it. And so is every other male i know. I hope AGD uses more props like this, and I hope you will refrain from the use of harsh words in the future. You could have just as well said ( I dislike what they have done with the billboard" and made your point.
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Personally, I agree with SHartley, Bill Mills, and others. I think that AGD shouldn't have gone with that ad, and that another ad would have been more suitable. That isn't to say that the billboard won't do it's job by catching peoples attention, but there are other ways. It's been stated that humor is an underutilized marketing strategy for the demographic. A better billboard utilizing humor, IMO, would have been showing someone with a goggle hit, with the text, "With the AGD Warp Feed, you no longer have to worry about hopper hits" (or something to that extent).There are three kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't.
With understanding comes understanding.
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No, I don't think it should. Does though.Originally posted by beam
"SHOULD sex sell?"
Actually, it's very interesting. Historically, the next generation flips. Conservative to liberal and back. And even more radically liberal/conservative. 1940's and 1950's=very conservative. 1960's and early 1970's=very liberal is an exampleOriginally posted by beam
history has shown that WHAT ONE GENERATION DOES, THE NEXT WILL DO IN EXCESS!
Agree, sort of. I disagree on an off topic point about men-women relationships I'm not going to bring up here.Originally posted by beam
In my opinion, women should be honored, not put up as pieces of meat used to sell...what...PAINTBALL EQUIPMENT?!?!?!
Also agree. Having read the thread up till this post on...4rd page? I side with the people believing the billboard WAS appropriate. It fit the target audience, like it or not. This thread is more like a clash between conservatives and liberals, not necessarily a bad thing. We all have paintball in common, we don't necessarily have matching opinions on whether a billboard was appropriate.Originally posted by beam
I think something that would have been REALLY cool, would have been if AGD made fun of how ads always use sex/sexuality to sell products. We could've used our brains to come up with something really witty, and intellectually sarcastic. Instead, we got a topless woman. hmmmmm
However, this billboard isn't what I'd attribute to Airgun Designs. Advertising through sexual/sensual explicit advertising isn't how I'd go through advertising AGD's products. Truth is, I can't think of anyway to demonstrate AGD's superiority. Unless you can just...well...demonstrate in person. That's AGD's strength, true technical superiority. You can have truthful advertising, but it's like shouting on Wall Street. The message gets lost with everyone else's. If I saw this billboard in a paintball magazine such as APG, I'd say, yeah, yeah, and turn the page. Demonstrating in person at fields, tournaments (especially tournaments), manufacturers, anywhere anyone could amass the cash for AGD's products. Oh, and making AGD products cheaper can't hurt.Last edited by SSMercury; 08-04-2002, 11:10 PM.Own: stock '94 original Spyder, Used Nelspot 007, Phantom stock class
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-Vegeta, aimed at Tom Kaye
Mercury Musings to meself:
If someone takes a paint-gun apart and modifies every scrap of it, does it matter what gun they had in the first place?
No, it does not matter.
Simplicity is proven over technological breakthrough.
Too bad we can't smack sense into everyone. Why, think of how easy learning would be.
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