First upgrade for my cocker?

[Rancid Milk]

I recently got a new cocker and have finally finished paying off my parents the money that I owed them for it. I am now trying to figure out which upgrade to get for it, I am debating between the GENX reg., The ANS front or the freak kit. Please help me with which ones to get and in what order, or tell me what I should get instead of thes. Thanks much,
Jeff

[Muzikman]

Scrap the ANS front, get a Palmer. I personaly would just get a pivot trigger, but then again, I can not shoot the sliding cocker trigger.

But PLEASE, do not buy an ANS front end!!!!!

[cphilip]

A Mag would be my first upgrade on a Cocker...

[314159]

my old ans ram (broken firing over the chrono)

[Angry Man]

Don't listen to cphilip, he's just being dumb. A stock cocker outperforms a stock mag, and no one can deny that. (Though add an intelliframe, level ten, and a nice barrel and the mag is gonna be pretty sweet.) Do not buy the ANS front end, buy either a palmer one or a shocktech one (my choice). The new WGP orracle pneumatics are awesome, but they don't sell them as a kit yet. However, other than not looking great the stock pneumatics are pretty darned good.

A new reg might be cool, the ans one is good.

A new barrel would always be nice, although the stock barrel has okay accuracy. That should be your first upgrade probably.

If you're firing CO2, however, your very first upgrade should be anti-siphon, or if you want to spend more money, nitro.

[cphilip]

Originally posted by Angry Man
Don't listen to cphilip, he's just being dumb. A stock cocker outperforms a stock mag, and no one can deny that.

I not only can deny it I can prove it... gimme your facts not myths and I will do the same then we shall see.

I was just jokin with him until you threw down that rediculous gauntlet!

[spazzed]

uh-oh... You woke up the sleeping giant. Watch out, n00b.

[cphilip]

Hehe... I not THAT bad spazzed? Am I?

Lets talk ROF and recharge and such as that huh? How bought it. No I got nothing against Cockers...but will not sit buy idly while someone says they "outperform" and we all know it.

As Simon would say "Why you Codswollop...thats Poppycock!!!!"

[spazzed]

Only when you wanna be

Aye, mag's are better for you. Why? My man cphilip already spilled the beans. That's all I got to say about that.

Poppycock... popcorn anyone?

[cphilip]

Well always hate to get into them Mag vs Cocker debates They both can and do serve the purpose well. But cut all the hype away and the Mag is better at recharging has less to go wrong with it is better at sustaining higher rates of fire. And the cocker, when set up conservatively, can be a bit easier on air consumption. But they both sling a ball of paint at 280 FPS pretty good when they are operational and the barrels are matched to the paint. So not going to give anyone a cut at saying they perform better and we know it. That is where I will draw the line in the dirt...

[Angry Man]

I've really got nothing to do today so I'll go ahead and argue with you. Btw, I'd first like to say that I'm a big mag fan, I recommended them to two of my friends as a first marker above anything else. But here I go.

Remember, we're talking stock.

The stock trigger frame on a mag is extremely slow. Some people can get a decent rate of fire off of them but the trigger pull is really, really hard. I don't care if it can recharge at 16bps if I can't fire more than four (which is about what I can get). On my cocker I can easily get twice that, much more if I'm fanning (which I don't because it's stupid. Maybe a mag can theoretically fire 16bps out of the box and a cocker 12-13bps, but no one can reach that out of the box on either marker, so it's a null point anyway.

I could say more about other things, but you haven't brought up anything but recharge rate yet.

[spazzed]

Simplicity... Somethings fishy w/ the mag, Almost ALWAYS, you replace an o-ring & you're back in action...

Cockers, not quite so simple...

[Angry Man]

I read what you posted above and agree with it. An upgraded mag (retro valve, intelliframe) will fire much faster than ANY cocker. So yeah....

[Angry Man]

Spazzed, yes I agree, but cocker issues are 99% of the time either a cocker being out of time (easy enough fix) or someone doing funny while trying to upgrade one. My pro shop says they have LOTS of broken mags as well as broken cockers that people send them, btw.

[hitech]

Originally posted by Angry Man
I could say more about other things, but you haven't brought up anything but recharge rate yet.

Originally posted by cphilip
has less to go wrong with it